Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again

From	Seeker <seeker5528@comcast.net>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again
Date	2015-10-01 06:40 +0200
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On 9/30/2015 1:51 AM, Reco wrote:
> 	Hi.
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 08:57:13PM -0700, Seeker wrote:
>
>> If you think of non-free in terms of Debian non-free, then non-free and proprietary
>> can be different things. That gets into a whole different hornets nest.
> Evaluate here, please. I honestly can not grasp this concept.
>
> Reco
>
amiwm is in non-free. It includes source. It allows redistribution, but 
specifies "for non-commercial use".
You are allowed to make changes, but not allowed to redistribute 
modified binaries or source. Not bad in
the proprietary black box kind of way. But it is bad in the sense that 
it looks unmaintained and lack of
ability to redistribute changes will eventually become an issue.

There is angband-audio, that looks to be under some form of Creative 
Commons license.

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/

Cuneiform is in non-free, don't know why that is since following the 
link to what is listed as the
home page indicates the license is "Simplified BSD License".

  https://launchpad.net/cuneiform-linux/

There is game stuff in non-free where the game engine is open source, 
but the level data is either
not included, requiring you to have a game disk or demo version to 
extract the data from, or game
data is under more restrictive license.

I'm fine with game data being under a restrictive license with an open 
source license on the engine,
that still allows game developers to use the engine with independently 
developed levels and allows
the game engine to continue being updated so I can continue to play the 
game with it's original levels
in the future as long as I have access to that level data.

Then there are issues with documentation under GFDL license not meeting 
DFSG requirements due
to the invariant text clause.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License

It's not all a black and white issue, there are several shades of grey 
in the mix as well.

And I appreciate the way Debian developers deal with these things on 
behalf of those who create
Custom Debian Distributions and redistribute them, but still having 
non-free separately available for
us individual users.

Later, Seeker

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Deleting i386 packages Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-09-22 05:40 +0200
  Re: Deleting i386 packages Himanshu Shekhar <irm2015006@iiita.ac.in> - 2015-09-22 06:30 +0200
  Re: Deleting i386 packages Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 08:50 +0200
    Re: Deleting i386 packages mudongliang <mudongliangabcd@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-22 09:50 +0200
      Re: Deleting i386 packages Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 14:40 +0200
        Re: Deleting i386 packages mudongliang <mudongliangabcd@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-22 15:10 +0200
          Re: Deleting i386 packages Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 16:20 +0200
            Re: Deleting i386 packages Stuart Longland <stuartl@longlandclan.id.au> - 2015-09-30 01:20 +0200
        Re: Deleting i386 packages Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> - 2015-09-22 15:30 +0200
          Re: Deleting i386 packages Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 16:10 +0200
            Re: Deleting i386 packages Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@ngtech.co.il> - 2015-09-24 06:50 +0200
              Re: Deleting i386 packages Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-09-24 12:30 +0200
                Re: Deleting i386 packages Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-09-25 12:00 +0200
                Re: Deleting i386 packages Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-09-25 14:30 +0200
                Re: Deleting i386 packages Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@ngtech.co.il> - 2015-09-27 09:20 +0200
                Re: Deleting i386 packages Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> - 2015-09-27 10:50 +0200
                Re: Deleting i386 packages Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@ngtech.co.il> - 2015-09-27 12:30 +0200
                Re: Deleting i386 packages Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-09-29 07:00 +0200
                Re: Deleting i386 packages Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@ngtech.co.il> - 2015-09-29 18:40 +0200
                Re: Deleting i386 packages Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-09-30 14:00 +0200
                Re: Deleting i386 packages Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@ngtech.co.il> - 2015-09-30 14:20 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again (was: Deleting  i386 packages) Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-09-27 12:50 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@ngtech.co.il> - 2015-09-27 14:00 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-09-27 22:20 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2015-09-27 23:30 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@ngtech.co.il> - 2015-09-29 18:10 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-09-29 19:40 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2015-09-29 21:00 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2015-09-29 22:50 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@ngtech.co.il> - 2015-09-30 06:30 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Heracles <heracles@iprimus.com.au> - 2015-09-30 07:50 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@ngtech.co.il> - 2015-10-01 05:00 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-09-29 19:40 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-29 20:20 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 08:30 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 10:40 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2015-09-30 13:30 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-09-30 13:40 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 17:00 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-10-01 09:50 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2015-09-30 19:30 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2015-09-30 19:40 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2015-09-30 19:50 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-09-30 21:50 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 22:00 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2015-10-01 01:00 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again tomas@tuxteam.de - 2015-10-01 09:50 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again "Amir H. Firouzian" <firouziyan@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 00:10 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2015-09-29 22:40 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2015-09-30 06:00 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-09-30 10:30 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 10:50 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Seeker <seeker5528@comcast.net> - 2015-09-30 06:00 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 11:00 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2015-09-30 14:40 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Seeker <seeker5528@comcast.net> - 2015-10-01 06:40 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-09-29 23:00 +0200
  Re: Deleting i386 packages Mirko Parthey <mirko.parthey@web.de> - 2015-09-22 14:40 +0200

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