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Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again

From Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again
Date 2015-09-29 19:40 +0200
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	Hi.

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 01:22:09PM -0400, Doug wrote:
> 
> 
> On 09/27/2015 04:12 PM, Bob Holtzman wrote:
> >On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 02:58:20PM +0300, Eliezer Croitoru wrote:
> >>On 27/09/2015 13:47, Reco wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>The above is one of the main reasons that many sysadmins prefer to use
> >>>>>RedHat and Windows despite the fact that both companies cannot always be
> >>>>>aware of very critical bugs.
> >>>Oh. Now you put the Red Hat Enterprise Linux in the non-free category.
> >>>May I ask why you did so?
> >>
> >>Answer: Can I get a copy of this
> >>[http://www.redhat.com/en/technologies/virtualization] without
> >>paying and with all the benefits?
> >
> >You're making the mistake of linux non-free soft ware with proprietary
> >software. I suggest you read up on open source software.
> >
> >          .........snip........
> >
> There is Linux software that is proprietary and not free. Just because that's the
> case does not make such software a bad choice or a bad deal.

No, you are wrong here. First, you're trying to introduce a false
dichotomy as if 'proprietary' and 'non-free' are different somehow.
Second, 'non-free' is *always* a bad choice.


> One must decide what the software will do, and if it is worth the price.

Please define 'price' in this context.


> Let us remember that many-- perhaps most--users of the Linux os are
> not programmers, and cannot take advantage of software being
> open-source.

Probably. But any free software user can take advantage of the ability
to run free software any way for any purpose. And it does not require
one to be a programmer :)

Confusing 'open-source' with 'free software' is a common mistake.


> Among programs which are not open and not free are several CAD programs

That's hardly everyone's necessity.


> and at least one office suite.

That Chineese one, or M$ one?


> I'm sure there are others.

Reco

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  Re: Deleting i386 packages Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 08:50 +0200
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                Re: Deleting i386 packages Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-09-25 14:30 +0200
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                Re: Deleting i386 packages Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@ngtech.co.il> - 2015-09-30 14:20 +0200
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                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-09-27 22:20 +0200
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                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-09-29 19:40 +0200
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                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 10:40 +0200
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                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-09-30 13:40 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 17:00 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-10-01 09:50 +0200
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                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2015-09-30 19:50 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-09-30 21:50 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 22:00 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2015-10-01 01:00 +0200
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                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2015-09-29 22:40 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2015-09-30 06:00 +0200
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                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 10:50 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Seeker <seeker5528@comcast.net> - 2015-09-30 06:00 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 11:00 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2015-09-30 14:40 +0200
                Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again Seeker <seeker5528@comcast.net> - 2015-10-01 06:40 +0200
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