Re: python to deprecate NNTP

From	Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.misc
Subject	Re: python to deprecate NNTP
Date	2019-05-25 18:08 -0400
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Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> writes:

> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>> Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> wrote:
>>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 24/05/2019 7:44 am, RS Wood wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0594/#nntplib
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This affects me, at least.  The little script I use to post
>>>>>> articles from my RSS reader relies on python.  Boo!  Why can't
>>>>>> developers just leave working shit alone?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can't you just keep a copy of it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sounds like it's not being maintained anyway.
>>>> 
>>>> What is there to 'maintain' when the protocol it speaks (NNTP)
>>>> itself is not changing?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Because the people in charge of Python keep changing it, addding new
>>> features, but also deprecating old ones. Or changes like 'print'
>>> becoming a function rather than a statement. Then there are the
>>> strings changing from characters to unicode characters.
>> 
>> So, the 'maintence' is not because of the NNTP module, it is self
>> imposed because they (those in charge) can't leave well enough alone
>> (or at least provide proper backwards compatibility so old stuff just
>> keeps working without needing an update).
>
> Yep!  I suspect the unicode changes are the deal breaker. A string now
> has to be in the correct encoding, if it's not you get an
> exception. The problem becomes *knowing* the correct encoding for
> arbitrary text you're receiving over the net. A byte string would
> work, but they aren't supported as completely as a unicode
> string. This BTW is claimed to be an improvement by the Python gurus.

I find that ironic because all these encodings are the reason I dumped
Perl/Gtk for Python/QT.

I had a Perl/Gtk1 app that I wrote that became unbearably slow with Gtk2
and all it's character set stuff.

Back when I started, computers did upper case only and I was already
writing documentation in all upper case.  I was fine with this and I
guessed that in the future humanity would adapt and start using upper
case only for everything.

When lower case was introduced, I was skeptical that this was necessary
or a good idea.

Today, it's hard to believe computers support picture characters,
characters that go right to left, left to right, top to bottom, bottom
to top.  Some programs even let to mix directional text in the same
document.  Sort programs have to look at every character to figure out
how to compare characters.  It's completely crazy and a huge waste of
computer cycles.

-- 
Dan Espen

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python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-23 17:44 -0400
  Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-23 21:49 +0000
    Re: python to deprecate NNTP not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-05-23 22:59 +0000
      Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-24 01:51 +0000
      Re: python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-23 22:24 -0400
        Re: python to deprecate NNTP Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2019-05-24 07:52 +0000
          Re: python to deprecate NNTP mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2019-05-29 18:06 +0100
        Re: python to deprecate NNTP Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-05-24 13:25 +0100
        Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-24 14:54 +0000
          Re: python to deprecate NNTP Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-05-25 23:41 +1000
            Re: python to deprecate NNTP Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-05-25 16:35 +0000
              Re: python to deprecate NNTP kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2019-05-26 13:38 -0400
                Re: python to deprecate NNTP not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-05-26 23:21 +0000
                Re: python to deprecate NNTP Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-05-27 11:06 +0000
            Re: python to deprecate NNTP Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2019-05-25 14:43 -0300
    Re: python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-23 20:37 -0400
      Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-24 15:00 +0000
      Re: python to deprecate NNTP Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2019-05-24 17:31 -0300
        Re: python to deprecate NNTP Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-05-25 07:38 +0000
        Re: python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-26 01:36 +0000
    Re: python to deprecate NNTP mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2019-05-29 18:05 +0100
  Re: python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-23 17:51 -0400
  Re: python to deprecate NNTP Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-05-24 14:29 +1000
    Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-24 15:01 +0000
      Re: python to deprecate NNTP Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2019-05-24 20:25 +0000
        Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-24 21:32 +0000
          Re: python to deprecate NNTP not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-05-25 03:23 +0000
          Re: python to deprecate NNTP Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2019-05-25 20:32 +0000
            Re: python to deprecate NNTP Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2019-05-25 18:08 -0400
              Re: python to deprecate NNTP Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2019-05-25 21:27 -0300
            Re: python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-27 21:12 -0400
              Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-28 03:06 +0000
                Re: python to deprecate NNTP Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-05-28 08:16 +0100
                Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-28 15:19 +0000
                Re: python to deprecate NNTP Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-05-28 18:26 +0100
              Re: python to deprecate NNTP kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2019-05-28 14:46 -0400
  Re: python to deprecate NNTP "polk" <polka@dot.dot> - 2019-05-25 15:14 +0000
    Re: python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-26 01:37 +0000
      Re: python to deprecate NNTP Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-05-26 05:45 +0000
  Re: python to deprecate NNTP Robert Munyer <robertm@not-for-mail.invalid> - 2019-06-07 23:03 +0000

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