Re: python to deprecate NNTP

From	Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.misc
Subject	Re: python to deprecate NNTP
Date	2019-05-25 20:32 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> wrote:
>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 24/05/2019 7:44 am, RS Wood wrote:
>>>>> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0594/#nntplib
>>>>> 
>>>>> This affects me, at least.  The little script I use to post articles 
>>>>> from my RSS reader relies on python.  Boo!  Why can't developers 
>>>>> just leave working shit alone?
>>>> 
>>>> Can't you just keep a copy of it?
>>>> 
>>>> Sounds like it's not being maintained anyway.
>>> 
>>> What is there to 'maintain' when the protocol it speaks (NNTP) itself 
>>> is not changing?
>>> 
>> 
>> Because the people in charge of Python keep changing it, addding new
>> features, but also deprecating old ones. Or changes like 'print'
>> becoming a function rather than a statement. Then there are the
>> strings changing from characters to unicode characters.
> 
> So, the 'maintence' is not because of the NNTP module, it is self 
> imposed because they (those in charge) can't leave well enough alone 
> (or at least provide proper backwards compatibility so old stuff just 
> keeps working without needing an update).

Yep! 
I suspect the unicode changes are the deal breaker. A string now has
to be in the correct encoding, if it's not you get an exception. The
problem becomes *knowing* the correct encoding for arbitrary text
you're receiving over the net. A byte string would work, but they
aren't supported as completely as a unicode string. This BTW is
claimed to be an improvement by the Python gurus.

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python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-23 17:44 -0400
  Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-23 21:49 +0000
    Re: python to deprecate NNTP not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-05-23 22:59 +0000
      Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-24 01:51 +0000
      Re: python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-23 22:24 -0400
        Re: python to deprecate NNTP Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2019-05-24 07:52 +0000
          Re: python to deprecate NNTP mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2019-05-29 18:06 +0100
        Re: python to deprecate NNTP Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-05-24 13:25 +0100
        Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-24 14:54 +0000
          Re: python to deprecate NNTP Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-05-25 23:41 +1000
            Re: python to deprecate NNTP Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-05-25 16:35 +0000
              Re: python to deprecate NNTP kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2019-05-26 13:38 -0400
                Re: python to deprecate NNTP not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-05-26 23:21 +0000
                Re: python to deprecate NNTP Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-05-27 11:06 +0000
            Re: python to deprecate NNTP Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2019-05-25 14:43 -0300
    Re: python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-23 20:37 -0400
      Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-24 15:00 +0000
      Re: python to deprecate NNTP Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2019-05-24 17:31 -0300
        Re: python to deprecate NNTP Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-05-25 07:38 +0000
        Re: python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-26 01:36 +0000
    Re: python to deprecate NNTP mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2019-05-29 18:05 +0100
  Re: python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-23 17:51 -0400
  Re: python to deprecate NNTP Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-05-24 14:29 +1000
    Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-24 15:01 +0000
      Re: python to deprecate NNTP Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2019-05-24 20:25 +0000
        Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-24 21:32 +0000
          Re: python to deprecate NNTP not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-05-25 03:23 +0000
          Re: python to deprecate NNTP Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2019-05-25 20:32 +0000
            Re: python to deprecate NNTP Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2019-05-25 18:08 -0400
              Re: python to deprecate NNTP Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2019-05-25 21:27 -0300
            Re: python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-27 21:12 -0400
              Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-28 03:06 +0000
                Re: python to deprecate NNTP Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-05-28 08:16 +0100
                Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-28 15:19 +0000
                Re: python to deprecate NNTP Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-05-28 18:26 +0100
              Re: python to deprecate NNTP kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2019-05-28 14:46 -0400
  Re: python to deprecate NNTP "polk" <polka@dot.dot> - 2019-05-25 15:14 +0000
    Re: python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-26 01:37 +0000
      Re: python to deprecate NNTP Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-05-26 05:45 +0000
  Re: python to deprecate NNTP Robert Munyer <robertm@not-for-mail.invalid> - 2019-06-07 23:03 +0000

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