Re: no response from listmaster

From	Lee Fuller <leefuller23@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: no response from listmaster
Date	2015-12-14 17:50 +0100
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For reference, the default timeout in the current release of mailman is 30
seconds.

https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DSA

I believe DSA are responsible for the list server.

-
- Lee Fuller
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 01:41:46PM +0000, Lee Fuller wrote:

> Hey there,
>
> I checked your email address using basic telnet and a measurement tool.
>
> I identified the likely physicality of your mailbox to be Cincinnati, and
> the
> server connecting to you in these measurements is in Texas.
>
> I ran the test in a handful of arrangements but I repeated the general
> routine
> enough times intentionally to discount causes of likely performance
> fluctuation.
>
> In both tests it is clear that an SMTP transaction takes as long as
> 10 seconds to conclude, and that is using plaintext SMTP without actually
> having
> transferred anything more than a formal greeting of machines.
>
> I doubt a list server of this size is configured to wait anywhere near 10
> seconds before considering an address unreachable.
>

RFC 5321, section 4.5.3.2 lists the various timesouts that an SMTP client
SHOULD employ (noting that they MUST be per-command, not on the whole
transaction). They include:
* Time to Initial 220 message: 5 minutes
* Response to MAIL or RCPT command: 5 minutes
* Waiting for "354 Start Input" after issueing "DATA": 3 minutes
* Waiting for next command from server: 5 minutes

So, any client that disconnects after waiting only 10 seconds is, while not
explicitly spammy, at least poorly behaved.

> That's probably the cause of your issues as you describe them.
>
>
> 
> -
> - Lee Fuller
>
>

Thread

Re: no response from listmaster Steve Kleene <skdeb@syrano.acb.uc.edu> - 2015-12-14 03:50 +0100
  Re: no response from listmaster Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 04:50 +0100
  Re: no response from listmaster Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2015-12-14 05:00 +0100
    Re: no response from listmaster <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-12-14 10:40 +0100
      Re: no response from listmaster Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2015-12-14 15:10 +0100
        Re: no response from listmaster tomas@tuxteam.de - 2015-12-14 15:30 +0100
          Re: no response from listmaster Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 16:10 +0100
            Re: no response from listmaster Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 16:30 +0100
            Re: no response from listmaster <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-12-15 09:00 +0100
              Re: no response from listmaster Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 12:10 +0100
                Re: no response from listmaster <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-12-15 12:30 +0100
                Re: no response from listmaster Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 12:40 +0100
                Re: no response from listmaster Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 12:40 +0100
                Re: no response from listmaster German <gentgerman@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 12:50 +0100
              Re: no response from listmaster John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-15 15:10 +0100
    Re: no response from listmaster Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2015-12-14 15:30 +0100
      Re: no response from listmaster Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2015-12-14 15:50 +0100
        Re: no response from listmaster <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-12-15 09:00 +0100
          Re: no response from listmaster Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 12:10 +0100
            Re: no response from listmaster Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2015-12-15 17:50 +0100
              Re: no response from listmaster Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-15 20:40 +0100
                Re: no response from listmaster Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 00:20 +0100
                Re: no response from listmaster Lee Fuller <me@leefuller.io> - 2015-12-23 20:10 +0100
                Re: no response from listmaster Steve Kleene <skdeb@syrano.acb.uc.edu> - 2015-12-23 21:50 +0100
                Re: no response from listmaster Lee <me@leefuller.io> - 2015-12-23 22:10 +0100
                Re: no response from listmaster Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2015-12-24 02:30 +0100
                Re: no response from listmaster Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 00:20 +0100
        Re: no response from listmaster Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2015-12-15 10:20 +0100
  Re: no response from listmaster <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-12-14 11:10 +0100
    Re: no response from listmaster Lee Fuller <leefuller23@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 15:10 +0100
      Re: no response from listmaster Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2015-12-14 15:40 +0100
        Re: no response from listmaster Lee Fuller <leefuller23@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 17:50 +0100
  Re: no response from listmaster [SOLVED] Steve Kleene <skdeb@syrano.acb.uc.edu> - 2015-12-14 16:30 +0100

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