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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | aus.computers, aus.legal, aus.net.access |
| Subject | Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" |
| Date | 2019-03-28 22:15 +0000 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <q7jh2n$13co$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
| References | (1 earlier) <gfu5f6FequtU1@mid.individual.net> <q7e8l1$1ff1$1@gioia.aioe.org> <gg0bibFtvk0U1@mid.individual.net> <q7gsjg$18vb$1@gioia.aioe.org> <gg2n0cFfcodU1@mid.individual.net> |
Cross-posted to 3 groups.
In aus.legal keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote: > On 3/28/2019 8:14 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> In aus.computers keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote: >>> If they're blocking the DNS request, simply use another DNS server. >> >> Yes I know, but in my case that requires a bit of documentation >> reading, configuration file editing, and rebooting. Anyway, I had >> time for that this morning so I tried with another DNS server and >> I can access the sites. So Telstra aren't blocking the IP addresses, >> just not resolving the DNS queries for blocked domains. >> >> This might be enough for me to switch to an alternative DNS server >> permanently. In the past blocks haven't affected any sites that I >> actually use, but I have used archive.is before (although I usually >> find what I need with web.archive.org) and it could have been a real >> inconvenience. I'll have to look into the DNS services better and >> compare performance first though. What's bet that after all that >> Telstra wake up and start blocking the IP addresses too? >> > I use a Raspberry Pi running PiHole as a DNS forwarder, it has a > blacklist that filters adverts and trackers. It's the most effective way > of doing it as it works across all the machines in the house, and all > browsers. I don't really see the need for that with my own use. Easier to have NoScript installed on each browser and blocking everything except what is explicitly allowed. A "block all except:" approach is safer than "block these:", and is more easily tailored to minimise the scripts running on a specific website to only the ones required for it to do what you want, thereby improving performance as well as security. I only regularly use Dillo (can't run scripts in the first place) and Firefox on my home PCs/Laptop, and don't use any "smart" gizmos, so I'm assuming that there's some case for a PiHole once they're brought into the mix (probably all the "apps" that call to things you don't ask them to, but I'm blissfully ignorant about all that - except Firefox does a bit of it, which I've tried to reduce by editing about:config). I connect to the internet via a router running OpenWRT with a 3G mobile broadband modem plugged in. Now that I've found the right commands to put in /etc/config/network, changing the DNS server should be quicker next time (and I probably didn't need to reboot, but I couldn't remember which process to restart (and the modem takes about as long to reboot as the router anyway)). One thing I am considering is using a Raspberry Pi as a proxy to forward HTTPS connections to my local network via HTTP. This is because an ever increasing amount of software (including some that still receives security updates) seems to be having problems with specific sites using specific encryption options. 90% are sites that I don't need to use HTTPS with in the first place because I don't want to submit any information to them besides the URL, but the stupid webmasters force it upon their users. The router didn't prove powerful enough to run the software required to do this, so a Pi is a backup option - though I hate adding another computer to the mix. > It is set up to use Cloudflare, I used to use IBM but > Cloudflare support DNS requests over TLS which is my next step, it means > that my ISP cannot even see what DNS requests that I am making. But they can see the IP address, which in many/most cases will tell them exactly what site you're viewing just as the DNS request would have. Bringing Cloudflare into the mix just exposes you to the US government's policies as well as the Aus gov's. Plus you can't trust them as a company any more than your ISP anyway. If I switch DNS server it would preferably be to one run by and Australian company (which will probably rule it out as an option, but I haven't looked yet (think I did once before though, and I clearly didn't change)). > If they > want to block anything, they'll have to do deep packet inspection, and I > can't see them putting that level of effort in. No, they'll do what Optus already did and block the IP address. > A crude check (using ping) shows Cloudflare the quickest by a fair > margin, Google and IBM fairly similar. That's cruder than I'd like, I'll have to find a tool that shows the actual DNS resolution times. > Bypassing your ISP should improve performance as it cuts out the > middleman. I don't see why that would be. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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"ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2019-03-26 09:52 +0700
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-26 19:16 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-26 20:08 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Max <max@val.morgan> - 2019-03-26 21:16 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-27 00:01 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2019-03-26 21:59 +0800
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 04:04 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 18:49 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 01:08 -0700
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 19:28 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 01:54 -0700
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-29 04:56 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 17:24 -0700
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-30 04:12 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 19:27 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 20:50 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 04:47 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-26 22:21 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-26 22:29 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2019-03-27 10:14 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-27 14:14 +1000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" FMurtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2019-03-29 09:52 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:30 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-27 14:12 +1000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-27 16:05 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-27 22:14 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-28 11:40 +1000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-28 22:15 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 15:40 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-28 22:19 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:42 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 17:54 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2019-03-28 08:43 +0800
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-28 22:27 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-29 08:33 +1000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-03-29 01:32 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:52 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2019-03-31 07:48 +0800
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-03-31 04:57 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2019-03-31 11:55 +0700
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 07:04 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:49 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-31 22:00 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 13:43 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-04-01 22:07 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-04-02 10:35 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-04-02 06:55 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-04-03 15:02 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-28 11:43 +1000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-28 13:10 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 14:49 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2019-03-31 11:59 +0700
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-25 23:38 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-08-26 13:56 +1000
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