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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.os.linux, alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.mobile.android |
| Subject | Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy |
| Date | 2019-02-09 19:53 +0000 |
| Organization | NOYB |
| Message-ID | <q3neks.gl0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (9 earlier) <q3ks79$k04$2@dont-email.me> <q3n2ah.8ic.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> <q3n2j0$mij$3@dont-email.me> <q3n9ea.fpo.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> <q3n70p$prd$1@dont-email.me> |
Cross-posted to 4 groups.
William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
> On 2019-02-09, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> > William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
> >> On 2019-02-09, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >> > William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
> >> >> On 2019-02-08, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> > Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
> >> >> >> > On 2019-02-07, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> On 2/6/19 5:24 PM, William Unruh wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>> On 2019-02-06, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>> In article <q3dlkf$e4a$1@news.neodome.i2p>,
> >> >> >> >>>>>> <anon@anon.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Apparently, we will have it in April 2019. Anyone planning
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> to buy one?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> dead on arrival. no carrier support, no apps and numerous
> >> >> >> >>>>>> false claims.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> Carrier support isn't required. Just pop a SIM in and you're
> >> >> >> >>>>> good to go.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> Of course it is. The phone has to operate on the
> >> >> >> >>>> frequency/type band that the carrier operates on.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> In most countries, including US, there is an standard for the
> >> >> >> >>> whole nation (the only exception I can think of is China), so
> >> >> >> >>> there is little need for traditional carrier support.
> >> >> >> >>> Sure if you can get carriers to promote the phone, that would
> >> >> >> >>> help.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Yep. In the uk i can buy any retail phone and it'll work on
> >> >> >> >> any network.
> >> >> >> >> There are some exceptions with 2G phones or grey imports.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > a) that is because in the UK., they want to sell phones to
> >> >> >> > everyone, and so make sure they support UK phones. Then you go
> >> >> >> > to Spain or Maroco, or USA and find your phone is as useful as
> >> >> >> > brick.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You know, the concept of travel has not escaped the notice of phone
> >> >> >> manufacturers. I have been to all those countries with no ill effects.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well, of late, Mr.Unruh has uttered some ... hmmm ... 'special'
> >> >> > opinions, so we probably shouldn't pay too much attention to this
> >> >> > uninformed rant either, especially considering his other/further
> >> >> > uninformed/misinformed responses in this thread.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Note to self: Must remind myself that - according to Mr.Unruh - my phone
> >> >> > does *not* work all over Europe, the US, Australia, Singapore, etc..
> >> >> > Likewise, I shouldn't accept any mobile calls from someone in the US,
> >> >> > pretending to be my son.
> >> >>
> >> >> I never said that.
> >> >
> >> > What you said - and what Chris and I responded to - is this uninformed
> >> > rant:
> >> >
> >> > [Rewind/repeat:]
> >> >
> >> >> >> > a) that is because in the UK., they want to sell phones to
> >> >> >> > everyone, and so make sure they support UK phones. Then you go
> >> >> >> > to Spain or Maroco, or USA and find your phone is as useful as
> >> >> >> > brick.
> >> >
> >> > That's non-sense (except for the US bit, if you're an *uninformed*
> >> > customer).
> >>
> >> Ah, so you agree that a phone purchased in the UK may not work all
> >> around the world? THAT was my point. I agree that spain, and maybe
> >> Morocco (You should have pointed out my misspelling of that as well)
> >
> > Of course I 'agree'! I never said anything which implies otherwise.
> >
> > I also note that you now say "may" (not work at all), which is quite
> > different from your earlier "and find your phone is as useful as brick",
> > which implies *will* (not work).
>
> And if you would quote the whole sentence, it is clear I did NOT say
> that you would always find your phone is as useful as a brick. I also
> stated that some phones do cover the bands.
Please stop the back-pedaling. That you *later* changed your position,
does not change what your *original* comment *actually* *said*.
So here it's again, now for the *third* time:
[Rewind/repeat:]
> >> >> >> > a) that is because in the UK., they want to sell phones to
> >> >> >> > everyone, and so make sure they support UK phones. Then you go
> >> >> >> > to Spain or Maroco, or USA and find your phone is as useful as
> >> >> >> > brick.
See? No indication that *some* phones *might* work!
Can we please agree that your initial comment was incorrect or badly
worded or whatever?
> >> >> What I said was that your phone must have support for
> >> >> the bands in use or it does not work.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, your other responses were a bit better, but still had way too
> >> > much FUD, incorrect terminology (GSM3, GSM4, GSM5), etc..
> >>
> >> I agree. When I posted my mind could not dredge up the correct
> >> terminology, and for that I appologise.
> >>
> >> >> There are about 40 bands around
> >> >> the world for 3G and 4G, and most phones do NOT cover them all.
> >> >
> >> > LTE ('4G') indeed has many bands, but you can easily get a phone which
> >> > covers most if not all UMTS ('3G') bands. For most people, for
> >> > traveling, 3G is fine.
> >>
> >> So you agree that many phones do not cover al of the 3G bands or 4G (
> >> and many cheap phones do not even cover all the 2G bands).
> >
> > Again, I've never said or implied otherwise.
> >
> >> So the question which I originally asked-- what bands does this phone
> >> cover?
> >
> > Yes, that was and is a very legit and relevant question.
> >
> >> >> For 2G
> >> >> it was much better, as there were only 4 bands, but even there you had
> >> >> to make sure you got an "international" phone which covered all 4. (many
> >> >> only covered 2, and either worked in the UK or in the US but not both)
> >> >> Unfotunately 2G is being phased out. Many of the US companies have
> >> >> already done so.
> >> >
> >> > Most informed people had no problem getting the right 2G phone for
> >> > traveling.
> >>
> >> So you agree that one must both know about it and search.
> >
> > Yup, like I said: You've to prepare for travel between totally different
> > geographical areas. Duh!
> >
> >> Note that 2G
> >> is being phased out, as the bandwidth is needed for 4G and 5G.
> >
> > Not that it really matters in this discussion, but because different
> > areas use different bands (What *was this discussion about again!? :-)),
> > the 'need for bandwidth' issue is also different for different areas, so
> > the "as the bandwidth is needed for 4G and 5G" argument is not valid
> > worldwide.
> >
> >> > But I guess many people with smartphones are not so smart themselves,
> >> > so they run into all kind of trouble when traveling unprepared. Getting
> >> > a correct/comptible phone is no different than all the other
> >> > travel-related aspects, such as power, plugs, currency, travel
> >> > documents, etc., etc., ad infinitum.
> >>
> >> Ah again you agree that it is not "most phones" that work all over
> >> the world. Few phones ( and those that do tend to be the expensive
> >> ones) work all over the world.
> >
> > Nobody ever said that most phones work all over the world, but with
> > some planning, it's quite possible to buy a phone - also an inexpensive
> > one (mine was (the equivalent of) some 80USD) - which works in *most*
> > of the world. Where "works" means you can make/receive (mbile phone)
> > calls (After all, we're talking about a *phone*, right! :-)), send and
> > receive SMS messages and use 3G *or* 4G Internet.
>
> Of course it is possible and nothing I ever said disputed that. It is
> also possible to buy a phone which is a "useful as a brick" when you
> travel with it. And figuring out which is which is not easy. First you
> have to discover what bands the phone you want covers. Then you have to
> figure out what bands are actually used in the country you go to, and if
> there is an overlap between your phone and those bands. And you have to
> figure out which providers cover those bands that do overlap and whether
> you can get a sim from those providers which works. It is far from an
> easy task.
Here we fully agree! It's not an easy task at all and it's very hard
to get the information you need to make a decision what (not) to buy.
The manufacturers and sellers can't be bothered to provide this vital
information and even if you *have* a device, it and its documentation
while nearly always fail to provide you with the neccessary information.
> In 2G days, it was just "Europe or America (or both)" or, if the US
> provider used cdma, forget it. Now with the proliferation of bands, it
> has become far more difficult to figure out. If you bring a 2G only
> phone to the US, it IS as useful as a brick.
> >
> > For those people who 'must have' 4G Internet, they indeed will have to
> > buy a rather expensive smartphone or use other means to access the
> > Internet (for example buy a 'local' cheap mobile hotspot).
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