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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: Core of the galaxy |
| Date | 2019-02-01 12:14 +0000 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <q31d7p$1nmd$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
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Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote: > On Friday, 1 February 2019 12:40:52 UTC+11, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Friday, 1 February 2019 00:05:18 UTC+11, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, 31 January 2019 09:46:38 UTC+11, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Thursday, 31 January 2019 01:37:02 UTC+11, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> The speeds of the stars in the region around the galactic center are all >>>>>>>>>> completely consistent with an enormous mass within a small volume at the >>>>>>>>>> galactic core. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That is just a statement. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Read the papers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another stupid statement. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ok so you’ve forgotten how to do this research. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here’s a starting paper that refers to the larger population measurements >>>>>> in its references. If you read these papers you will see that they are not >>>>>> cherry picked. >>>>>> https://www.eso.org/public/archives/announcements/pdf/ann17051b.pdf >>>>> >>>>> Saw that. It assumes to begin with that the theory of relativity is >>>>> correct, and that black holes exist. Right in the title. So I need not go further. >>>> >>>> What an excellent excuse to avoid looking at data! >>> >>> What is the point of looking at cooked-up data presented by the biggest >>> confidence tricksters on the planet? >>> >>> “The scurrilous bastards >>>> are using data to test the validity of relativity! For them to even >>>> associate themselves with relativity proves that they are criminals! >>> >>> Yes, the Einsteinians are the most devious bastards who suavely and >>> implicitly assert that SR and GR are facts and not just notions, and >>> black holes exist. The setting the whole of physics on a wrong, immoral >>> footing. Racketeers. >> >> Well, there you go. This is exactly what park bench babblers do when their >> psychologists confront their delusions with objective facts. They either >> refuse to look at or acknowledge the objective facts or they say they are >> fabrications of s massive conspiracy. >> >> Well done. >> >> >>> >>> >>>> Thus I >>>> know without even looking that they have doctored the data, no doubt >>>> cherry-picking the orbits to prove the presence of a black hole! >>> >>> Yes, yes. The title alone suffices. >>> What I wanted to know >> >> And think, Arindam: how could you possibly ascertain what you wanted to >> know, without looking at the data. >> >> Oh, I know! You could just DECIDE with your self-convincing way what answer >> you feel it is important to believe. That is, you just DECIDE that the >> chosen stars were picked selectively, without bothering to actually look at >> the data. >> >>> is whether ALL the stars that go around the core of the galaxy move fast, or not. >>> It boils down to whether the 200 stars chosen have been chosen randomly or selectively. >>> If they have been chosen selectively, then it proves >>> a) the choosers are crooks >>> b) the other stars are around them move slowly, and so >>> c) there is emptiness or near so, in the core of the galaxy. >>> >>> If they have been chosen randomly, then >>> a) it is strong indication that all the stars around the core move fast >>> which means >>> b) there is a heavy mass at the core of the galaxy >>> and as there is no light from it its nature is >>> c) either a black hole or dark matter >> >> I’ll ask again: let’s suppose it is a huge amount of dark matter in a >> confined volume rather than a black hole. Does the dark matter just sit >> there, or does it gravitationally collapse? > > > Going by the laws of gravitation there can be no such thing as a gravitational collapse. What makes you say that? Newtonian gravity also predicts collapse. Are you unfamiliar with the laws of gravity?? > That is a ridiculous notion created to give credibility to the wrong > relativistic theories. In the days when scientific rigour had not been > replaced by creative hoaxing as now, the scientists would have found this > notion of gravitational collapse, and a very hot core of the Earth and Sun, ridiculous. > > Problem was, and is, they had not discovered the correct formula for > energy matter interactions on the kinetic basis, so they stuck to the > wrong conservation of energy principle using entropy as a loophole. > > The huge amount of dark matter in the centre of the galaxy just sits > there - if it is there, that is and that proven by the random selection > of the stars around it, with all going fast. So you have all this dark matter gravitating and the classical laws of gravity say it collapses.... > > It is most likely a great cluster of dark matter, in complicated orbits, > if it really exists. Or if it is a single body, it does not have any > hydrogen to heat up due to its gravity - so maybe emits energy in the infrared region. > > In any case, its own gravity, or the gravitational pull from the rest of > the galaxy from all around will ensure that there is no net force, no net > pressure, no temperature, etc. for sending light, right at the core. > > Which is why, we do not get any light from the centre of the galaxy. Too cold there. > > Just as, there is no gravitational collapse at the centre of the Earth, or sun. Those are all too small. Do the calculation for 15 solar masses. > The pressure at a radius r from the centre increases to some point where > the rocks melt. That is the maximum, for there the rocks are getting > crushed between the rocks above, and the rocks below. By below, we mean > the Earth at radius r - there is plenty of Earth to rub against in all directions. > > Now as we go towards the centre there is less pressure. Going by Gauss > law of gravity, there is less M so g is less. When g is very less, the > pressure goes down and at the centre it is zero. This goes against S and P seismic wave data. I’m sure you’re aware of that. Are are all the geologists also in on the conspiracy to produce false data? How about seismologists? > > > The problem here is that indeed g at the Earth's mantle is lower than at > the surface, so why is there more pressure if g is lower? The answer is > that it is like a man on a surface under a ton of rock. He does feel the > pressure more than others. Similarly at the mantle stage, the rocks there > carry a lot of weight of the masses above, and so, they get so much > pressure they melt. But, this situation does not increase for when > pressure is from all sides instead of just one, no net force is felt. So > it is that nothing get crushed by air pressure, simply because air > pressure acts from all direction. > > So the pressure - as opposed to g - peaks due to gravity at some distance > below the Earth, that continues for thousands of kilometres, till it > starts to reduce, and finally it is zero at the centre. Yes the pressure > is very high for thousands of kilometres along the radius when there are > still a few thousand of kilometres to the centre. But as we near the > core, the pressure is circulated laterally, much as a Gothic arch. It > presses more against each other, as opposed to down. With less and less > matter below, the pressure lines circulate in the higher radius areas > where there is solid matter, and no pressure comes below. > > Another way to look at it is, consider a tennis ball. Squeeze it from all > sides with as much force as is possible. There will be no force at the > centre. All the forces will balance each other by operating in the rubber > area. The centre of the rubber ball (hollow or solid will never feel pressure). > > > Cheers, > > Arindam Banerjee >> >>> Since Einstein's GR is wrong, black holes do not exist in reality, so >>> d) the core of the galaxy is cold dark matter. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Arindam Banerjee >>> >>> >>> Well, I >>>> know better than to stoop to being influenced by doctored data!” >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> When will it enter your head that I consider this whole approach to be >>>>> totally fraudulent and that all modern physicists are crooks? >>>>> >>>>> So there is no point trying to convince *me* with their propaganda. I >>>>> realise these crooks have taken over the institutions. That makes them >>>>> even more devious and dangerous. >>>>> >>>>> Which is why, I have bypassed those infamous creeps by going directly to >>>>> the public with my youtube videos, and postings on Usenet, facebook, etc. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't know the astronomy for that! Apparently 200 stars have been >>>>>>>>>>> studied. Have they been chosen selectively or randomly? That is the >>>>>>>>>>> question. If they have been selectively chosen to "prove" the existence >>>>>>>>>>> of black holes, then the dishonesty is clear. If they have been chosen >>>>>>>>>>> randomly then yes, there is a huge dark mass at the centre. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, fortunately your question is answered. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Really? I don't see where. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> See the published papers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What papers? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh good grief. Really? You forgot how to do this background search? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am going by what Sergio has written here. All I am asking is whether >>>>>>>>> the 200 fast stars have been chosen randomly, or selectively. The latter >>>>>>>>> to somehow make the existence of a black hole there, using selective information. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyway it should not be too difficult for a good telescope to show what >>>>>>>>> is happening out there at the centre of the galaxy, how fast ALL the >>>>>>>>> stars are moving or not. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have not seen the videos Sergio has posted. I'll see them when I have >>>>>>>>> some time. Anyway there is no need for a black hole to exist at the >>>>>>>>> centre of the galaxy. Dark matter in huge quantities will suffice to >>>>>>>>> account for all the fast moving stars near the centre of our galaxy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Again I will ask you a simple question. What do you expect a “huge >>>>>>>> quantity” of dark matter confined to a small volume inside the region >>>>>>>> observed to do? Gravitationally collapse or not? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you say the “huge quantity” of dark matter does not have to be confined >>>>>>>> to that small volume, I will remind you of the direct result from Gauss’ >>>>>>>> theorem, that any mass outside a radius R has no effect on the orbits of >>>>>>>> bodies inside radius R. Only the mass INSIDE that orbital radius counts. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, >>>>>>>>>> if you’re going to insist that the authors are scheming liars, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have not done that. I don't even know who the authors are, still less >>>>>>>>> about what they have written. All I know is that Sergio has said that 200 >>>>>>>>> stars near the core of the galaxy are moving 10 times faster than normal >>>>>>>>> which indicates there is a heavy mass at the core. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and you say >>>>>>>>>> that just to support YOUR idea that there is no large mass in the center, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I said there is no need to have a large mass in the centre. Without a >>>>>>>>> large mass in the centre the galaxy can become just fine. Just that the >>>>>>>>> stars near the centre will move slowly as compared to the outer stars. >>>>>>>>> But depending upon local stellar densities some stars among them can move >>>>>>>>> very fast, just as comets move fast when approaching a star. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> then you’re right that the dishonesty is clear but it’s on the opposite >>>>>>>>>> side. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To clarify my point - those who take their samples selectively to "prove" >>>>>>>>> a theory are throughly dishonest. They should not be called scientists. >>>>>>>>> In this context I reiterate that all Einsteinian scientists are >>>>>>>>> dishonest, corrupt to the core, the biggest curse on the planet as they >>>>>>>>> misdirect physics. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And you are presuming that this is what happened in this case. Without >>>>>>>> checking the papers. And incorrectly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That presumption of guilt without being aware of the facts is indeed >>>>>>>> dishonesty. Yours. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - a book was written on this subject by Jules Verne, and a movie made >>>>>>>>>>>>> titled "Journey to the centre of the Earth". Following this line, it is >>>>>>>>>>>>> possible to think of the core of the galaxy as loose, dark matter that >>>>>>>>>>>>> has not condensed into a large star, simply because of the pull from the >>>>>>>>>>>>> stars of the rest of the galaxy. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, assuming there neither a dark matter cluster with dark components >>>>>>>>>>>>> orbiting around each other there, nor of course the conjectural black >>>>>>>>>>>>> hole, nothing at the core, how can the stars move fast just with gravity? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Is that at all possible? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Question rises, are all the stars at the core moving much faster in >>>>>>>>>>>>> either direction, or just some? If there is something heavy at the >>>>>>>>>>>>> centre, then ALL stars must move fast to avoid getting swallowed. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not just 200 or so. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming that all the stars are moving equally fast, then the question is >>>>>>>>>>>>> how can they do that with just gravity and an empty centre. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if they are not moving equally fast, what then? In that case there is >>>>>>>>>>>>> no heavy core of the galaxy composed of dark matter, acting as a black >>>>>>>>>>>>> hole. There would be some stars moving fast among others moving slowly. >>>>>>>>>>>>> This can happen if there is a star cluster - moving slowly as they are >>>>>>>>>>>>> balanced by mutual gravitational forces - pulling an isolated star >>>>>>>>>>>>> towards it much as the Sun draws a comet. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 02:50 -0800
Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 14:50 +0000
Re: Core of the galaxy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 07:03 -0800
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Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 01:04 -0800
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Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 22:41 +0000
Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 15:24 -0800
Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 13:10 +0000
Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 15:38 -0800
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Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 18:38 -0800
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Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 12:14 +0000
Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 05:13 -0800
Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 13:43 +0000
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Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 01:40 +0000
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Re: Core of the galaxy pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-31 20:38 -0800
Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 21:47 -0800
Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 12:14 +0000
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Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 13:37 +0000
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