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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: Core of the galaxy |
| Date | 2019-02-01 01:40 +0000 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <q3082t$l14$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
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Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote: > On Friday, 1 February 2019 00:05:18 UTC+11, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Thursday, 31 January 2019 09:46:38 UTC+11, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, 31 January 2019 01:37:02 UTC+11, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> The speeds of the stars in the region around the galactic center are all >>>>>>>> completely consistent with an enormous mass within a small volume at the >>>>>>>> galactic core. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is just a statement. >>>>>> >>>>>> Read the papers. >>>>> >>>>> Another stupid statement. >>>> >>>> Ok so you’ve forgotten how to do this research. >>>> >>>> Here’s a starting paper that refers to the larger population measurements >>>> in its references. If you read these papers you will see that they are not >>>> cherry picked. >>>> https://www.eso.org/public/archives/announcements/pdf/ann17051b.pdf >>> >>> Saw that. It assumes to begin with that the theory of relativity is >>> correct, and that black holes exist. Right in the title. So I need not go further. >> >> What an excellent excuse to avoid looking at data! > > What is the point of looking at cooked-up data presented by the biggest > confidence tricksters on the planet? > > “The scurrilous bastards >> are using data to test the validity of relativity! For them to even >> associate themselves with relativity proves that they are criminals! > > Yes, the Einsteinians are the most devious bastards who suavely and > implicitly assert that SR and GR are facts and not just notions, and > black holes exist. The setting the whole of physics on a wrong, immoral > footing. Racketeers. Well, there you go. This is exactly what park bench babblers do when their psychologists confront their delusions with objective facts. They either refuse to look at or acknowledge the objective facts or they say they are fabrications of s massive conspiracy. Well done. > > >> Thus I >> know without even looking that they have doctored the data, no doubt >> cherry-picking the orbits to prove the presence of a black hole! > > Yes, yes. The title alone suffices. > What I wanted to know And think, Arindam: how could you possibly ascertain what you wanted to know, without looking at the data. Oh, I know! You could just DECIDE with your self-convincing way what answer you feel it is important to believe. That is, you just DECIDE that the chosen stars were picked selectively, without bothering to actually look at the data. > is whether ALL the stars that go around the core of the galaxy move fast, or not. > It boils down to whether the 200 stars chosen have been chosen randomly or selectively. > If they have been chosen selectively, then it proves > a) the choosers are crooks > b) the other stars are around them move slowly, and so > c) there is emptiness or near so, in the core of the galaxy. > > If they have been chosen randomly, then > a) it is strong indication that all the stars around the core move fast > which means > b) there is a heavy mass at the core of the galaxy > and as there is no light from it its nature is > c) either a black hole or dark matter I’ll ask again: let’s suppose it is a huge amount of dark matter in a confined volume rather than a black hole. Does the dark matter just sit there, or does it gravitationally collapse? > Since Einstein's GR is wrong, black holes do not exist in reality, so > d) the core of the galaxy is cold dark matter. > > Cheers, > Arindam Banerjee > > > Well, I >> know better than to stoop to being influenced by doctored data!” >> >> >>> >>> When will it enter your head that I consider this whole approach to be >>> totally fraudulent and that all modern physicists are crooks? >>> >>> So there is no point trying to convince *me* with their propaganda. I >>> realise these crooks have taken over the institutions. That makes them >>> even more devious and dangerous. >>> >>> Which is why, I have bypassed those infamous creeps by going directly to >>> the public with my youtube videos, and postings on Usenet, facebook, etc. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't know the astronomy for that! Apparently 200 stars have been >>>>>>>>> studied. Have they been chosen selectively or randomly? That is the >>>>>>>>> question. If they have been selectively chosen to "prove" the existence >>>>>>>>> of black holes, then the dishonesty is clear. If they have been chosen >>>>>>>>> randomly then yes, there is a huge dark mass at the centre. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, fortunately your question is answered. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Really? I don't see where. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> See the published papers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What papers? >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh good grief. Really? You forgot how to do this background search? >>>>>> >>>>>>> I am going by what Sergio has written here. All I am asking is whether >>>>>>> the 200 fast stars have been chosen randomly, or selectively. The latter >>>>>>> to somehow make the existence of a black hole there, using selective information. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway it should not be too difficult for a good telescope to show what >>>>>>> is happening out there at the centre of the galaxy, how fast ALL the >>>>>>> stars are moving or not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have not seen the videos Sergio has posted. I'll see them when I have >>>>>>> some time. Anyway there is no need for a black hole to exist at the >>>>>>> centre of the galaxy. Dark matter in huge quantities will suffice to >>>>>>> account for all the fast moving stars near the centre of our galaxy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Again I will ask you a simple question. What do you expect a “huge >>>>>> quantity” of dark matter confined to a small volume inside the region >>>>>> observed to do? Gravitationally collapse or not? >>>>>> >>>>>> If you say the “huge quantity” of dark matter does not have to be confined >>>>>> to that small volume, I will remind you of the direct result from Gauss’ >>>>>> theorem, that any mass outside a radius R has no effect on the orbits of >>>>>> bodies inside radius R. Only the mass INSIDE that orbital radius counts. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now, >>>>>>>> if you’re going to insist that the authors are scheming liars, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have not done that. I don't even know who the authors are, still less >>>>>>> about what they have written. All I know is that Sergio has said that 200 >>>>>>> stars near the core of the galaxy are moving 10 times faster than normal >>>>>>> which indicates there is a heavy mass at the core. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and you say >>>>>>>> that just to support YOUR idea that there is no large mass in the center, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I said there is no need to have a large mass in the centre. Without a >>>>>>> large mass in the centre the galaxy can become just fine. Just that the >>>>>>> stars near the centre will move slowly as compared to the outer stars. >>>>>>> But depending upon local stellar densities some stars among them can move >>>>>>> very fast, just as comets move fast when approaching a star. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> then you’re right that the dishonesty is clear but it’s on the opposite >>>>>>>> side. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To clarify my point - those who take their samples selectively to "prove" >>>>>>> a theory are throughly dishonest. They should not be called scientists. >>>>>>> In this context I reiterate that all Einsteinian scientists are >>>>>>> dishonest, corrupt to the core, the biggest curse on the planet as they >>>>>>> misdirect physics. >>>>>> >>>>>> And you are presuming that this is what happened in this case. Without >>>>>> checking the papers. And incorrectly. >>>>>> >>>>>> That presumption of guilt without being aware of the facts is indeed >>>>>> dishonesty. Yours. >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - a book was written on this subject by Jules Verne, and a movie made >>>>>>>>>>> titled "Journey to the centre of the Earth". Following this line, it is >>>>>>>>>>> possible to think of the core of the galaxy as loose, dark matter that >>>>>>>>>>> has not condensed into a large star, simply because of the pull from the >>>>>>>>>>> stars of the rest of the galaxy. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now, assuming there neither a dark matter cluster with dark components >>>>>>>>>>> orbiting around each other there, nor of course the conjectural black >>>>>>>>>>> hole, nothing at the core, how can the stars move fast just with gravity? >>>>>>>>>>> Is that at all possible? >>>>>>>>>>> Question rises, are all the stars at the core moving much faster in >>>>>>>>>>> either direction, or just some? If there is something heavy at the >>>>>>>>>>> centre, then ALL stars must move fast to avoid getting swallowed. >>>>>>>>>>> Not just 200 or so. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Assuming that all the stars are moving equally fast, then the question is >>>>>>>>>>> how can they do that with just gravity and an empty centre. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And if they are not moving equally fast, what then? In that case there is >>>>>>>>>>> no heavy core of the galaxy composed of dark matter, acting as a black >>>>>>>>>>> hole. There would be some stars moving fast among others moving slowly. >>>>>>>>>>> This can happen if there is a star cluster - moving slowly as they are >>>>>>>>>>> balanced by mutual gravitational forces - pulling an isolated star >>>>>>>>>>> towards it much as the Sun draws a comet. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 02:50 -0800
Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 14:50 +0000
Re: Core of the galaxy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 07:03 -0800
Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 15:43 +0000
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Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 20:42 +0000
Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 18:56 -0800
Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 13:00 +0000
Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 16:20 -0800
Re: Core of the galaxy pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-29 16:58 -0800
Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 01:04 -0800
Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 14:36 +0000
Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 14:26 -0800
Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 22:41 +0000
Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 15:24 -0800
Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 13:10 +0000
Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 15:38 -0800
Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 01:40 +0000
Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 18:38 -0800
Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 03:45 +0000
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Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 12:14 +0000
Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 05:13 -0800
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Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 21:17 -0800
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Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 16:24 -0800
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Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 13:05 +0000
Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 15:35 -0800
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Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 19:04 -0800
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Re: Core of the galaxy pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-31 20:38 -0800
Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 21:47 -0800
Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 12:14 +0000
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Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 13:37 +0000
Re: Core of the galaxy Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 13:33 -0800
Re: Core of the galaxy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 21:42 +0000
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