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Re: facetime privacy bug

From Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Newsgroups misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.mobile.ipad
Subject Re: facetime privacy bug
Date 2019-01-31 17:47 -0800
Organization Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID <q308et$llg$3@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink)
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On 2019-01-31 4:30 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 18:34:33 -0000 (UTC), arlen holder wrote:
> 
>> Until the mother of the child who found the bug using Facetime in the
>> normal way finally gave up on Apple, and exasperated, took it to the
>> Internet.
> 
> Actually, I apologize for not getting all the facts straight.
> 
> I just re-read the article (which I reported about days ago,
> so I had not re-read it since then - but I just re-read it now).
> 
> The mother, a lawyer, reported it to Apple in no uncertain
> terms, by providing a video showing it in action unequivocally,
> on Jan 20th.

Do you have a link to this video? I've gone looking for it and can't 
find it.

Do you know by what conduit she "reported it to Apple"? Because I'm 
pretty sure Apple isn't out there checking YouTube.

> 
> *The fact is that the bug is extremely trivial to reproduce.*
> o Even for Apple
> 
> According to the NY Times, the mother "exhausted every
> other avenue she could, including emailing and faxing
> Apple's security team".

Actually that's "According to the NY Times, the mother CLAIMED she 
"exhausted..."

> 
> Yet, Apple clearly "sat" on the bug, which the NY Times clearly states.
> 
> Then the NY Times says, verbatim:
>     "It wasn't until more than a week after Ms. Thompson first
>      notified Apple of the problem that Apple raced to disable
>      Group Face Time ... the company reacted after a separate
>      developer reported the Face Time flaw and it was written
>      about on 9to5mac.com in an article that went viral."

Except we don't know what the "notification" she sent actually was.

> 
> *Notice these facts & circumstances are very common with Apple.*
> 
> 1. Apple doesn't actually give a shit about privacy - that's clear.

That's an assertion. You do understand that, right?

> 2. Apple doesn't even give a shit about testing software - that's clear.

That's an assertion. You do understand that, right?

> 3. But what Apple gives a shit about - is IMAGE

That's an assertion. You do understand that, right?

> 
> Boy oh boy, does Apple care about IMAGE!
> o Image, to Apple, is literally _everything_*!
> 
> The split second this egregious bug hit the Internet - Apple reacted.
> o And yet, the proof is abundantly clear, they "sat" on it until then.

Or they were hard at work from the moment they first actually heard 
about it.

You don't know which is true, but you really don't care.


The rest of your post was far too tedious to bother with.

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facetime privacy bug badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 02:25 +0000
  Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 06:05 +0000
    Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 07:09 +0000
  Re: facetime privacy bug Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2019-01-29 11:18 +0100
    Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 12:00 +0000
    Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-29 08:14 -0500
      Re: facetime privacy bug Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2019-01-29 18:05 +0100
        Re: facetime privacy bug Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 18:23 +0000
          Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 18:48 +0000
        Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-29 19:55 -0500
    Re: facetime privacy bug "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 13:14 +0000
      Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-29 08:21 -0500
        Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 16:38 +0000
        Re: facetime privacy bug Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2019-01-29 18:08 +0100
          Re: facetime privacy bug Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-29 17:24 +0000
          Re: facetime privacy bug JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2019-01-29 13:13 -0500
            Re: facetime privacy bug nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-29 13:18 -0500
          Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 18:48 +0000
      Re: facetime privacy bug Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-29 16:21 +0000
        Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 18:55 +0000
      Re: facetime privacy bug Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2019-01-29 18:06 +0100
        Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 18:55 +0000
        Re: facetime privacy bug Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-29 22:04 +0000
        Re: facetime privacy bug dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2019-01-30 14:09 +1300
          Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-30 04:38 +0000
    Re: facetime privacy bug Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-29 15:35 +0000
      Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 16:38 +0000
      Re: facetime privacy bug Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2019-01-29 18:11 +0100
        Re: facetime privacy bug Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-29 17:20 +0000
          Re: facetime privacy bug Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2019-01-29 19:08 +0100
            Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 18:40 +0000
            Re: facetime privacy bug Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-29 21:52 +0000
              Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 22:19 +0000
              Re: facetime privacy bug Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-29 23:55 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-30 04:28 +0000
            Re: facetime privacy bug "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 12:29 +1100
              Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-30 04:27 +0000
          Re: facetime privacy bug Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2019-01-29 19:19 +0100
            Re: facetime privacy bug "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 18:40 +0000
              Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 19:16 +0000
            Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 18:40 +0000
            Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-29 19:57 -0500
              Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-30 04:28 +0000
              Re: facetime privacy bug FredW <fredw@ninmule.invalid> - 2019-01-30 19:13 +0100
                Re: facetime privacy bug Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-30 18:51 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug FredW <fredw@ninmule.invalid> - 2019-01-30 22:08 +0100
                Re: facetime privacy bug Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-31 01:00 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug FredW <fredw@ninmule.invalid> - 2019-01-31 14:46 +0100
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 16:46 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-31 23:14 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug BK@Onramp.net - 2019-01-30 16:03 -0600
                Re: facetime privacy bug FredW <fredw@ninmule.invalid> - 2019-01-31 14:50 +0100
                Re: facetime privacy bug BK@Onramp.net - 2019-01-31 09:07 -0600
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-31 08:24 -0500
                Re: facetime privacy bug FredW <fredw@ninmule.invalid> - 2019-01-31 14:51 +0100
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-31 12:47 -0500
          Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 18:40 +0000
          Re: facetime privacy bug *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> - 2019-01-30 05:26 -0600
            Re: facetime privacy bug Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-30 16:37 +0000
              Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-30 17:07 +0000
            Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-30 17:07 +0000
              Re: facetime privacy bug JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2019-01-30 14:01 -0500
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-30 19:28 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-30 20:42 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-30 12:47 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 02:00 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-30 18:06 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 02:55 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-30 18:57 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 03:06 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-30 19:09 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 03:14 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-30 19:37 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 04:42 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-30 20:49 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 04:57 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 16:46 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-31 09:33 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 18:22 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-31 10:26 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 19:11 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-31 11:28 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-01 12:50 -0500
                Re: facetime privacy bug nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-31 09:15 -0500
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 16:46 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 16:46 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-31 10:28 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 19:11 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-31 11:27 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 22:46 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-31 17:43 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-01 12:44 -0500
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-01 18:56 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-01 12:41 -0500
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-01 18:56 +0000
      Re: facetime privacy bug JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2019-01-29 13:11 -0500
        Re: facetime privacy bug nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-29 13:18 -0500
          Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 19:16 +0000
          Re: facetime privacy bug JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2019-01-29 15:32 -0500
            Re: facetime privacy bug nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-29 15:47 -0500
              Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 22:19 +0000
            Re: facetime privacy bug Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-29 22:03 +0000
              Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 22:19 +0000
            Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 22:19 +0000
        Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 18:40 +0000
          Re: facetime privacy bug Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-01-30 12:53 -0500
            Re: facetime privacy bug Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-30 17:57 +0000
              Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-30 19:03 +0000
            Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-30 19:03 +0000
              Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-30 11:29 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-30 19:43 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-30 12:15 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 02:00 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-30 18:08 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 03:23 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-30 19:34 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 05:13 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-31 10:30 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 18:41 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-31 10:42 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 19:11 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-31 11:27 -0800
            Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-31 13:47 -0500
              Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 19:11 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-01 12:48 -0500
                Re: facetime privacy bug nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-01 12:51 -0500
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-01 18:56 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-01 14:13 -0500
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-01 20:06 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-01 18:56 +0000
        Re: facetime privacy bug Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-29 21:59 +0000
          Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 22:21 +0000
    Re: facetime privacy bug JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2019-01-29 13:00 -0500
      Re: facetime privacy bug Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-29 22:07 +0000
        Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-29 22:32 +0000
        Re: facetime privacy bug Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-29 23:54 +0000
          Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-30 04:39 +0000
        Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-31 13:19 -0500
          Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 18:34 +0000
            Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-01 00:30 +0000
              Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-31 17:47 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 03:12 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-31 22:55 -0500
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-31 19:58 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-01 04:48 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-31 23:08 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-01 15:05 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-02-01 08:27 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-01 18:55 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-01 14:13 -0500
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-01 19:39 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-02-01 11:25 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-01 19:39 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-02 17:58 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-02 15:13 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-03 03:43 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-04 17:33 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-02-03 11:49 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-04 14:52 -0800
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-03 22:06 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-04 17:33 +0000
                Re: facetime privacy bug John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-04 14:50 -0800
          Re: facetime privacy bug nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-31 13:41 -0500
            Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 18:59 +0000
            Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-31 13:59 -0500
              Re: facetime privacy bug nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-31 14:30 -0500
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-31 14:36 -0500
                Re: facetime privacy bug nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-31 14:43 -0500
                Re: facetime privacy bug Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-31 15:09 -0500
                Re: facetime privacy bug nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-31 15:18 -0500
                Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-31 23:29 +0000
    Re: facetime privacy bug *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> - 2019-01-30 05:37 -0600
      Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-30 19:48 +0000
  Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-30 07:21 +0000
  Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-08 03:32 +0000
  Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-08 16:22 +0000
  Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-09 06:33 +0000
  Re: facetime privacy bug arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-10 08:32 +0000

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