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Re: How do I hate systemd Let me count the ways.

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On 2019-01-26, John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote:
> William Unruh writes:
>> Except I have seen many defenses of systemd. 1) parallel running of boot
>> programs, to vastly speed up booting. 2) a system to make fairly complex
>> dependencies of boot programs realatively easy to program and use. 
>
>> Now other boot systems also tried to do these things, which indicates
>> tht there was a need for them
>
> There were several proposed systems that would have done those things.
>
> The entire sordid affair is well documented in the debian-dev archive.
> Anyone who wasn't there but is interested in the history should read it
> before commenting.

The Debian-dev archive is huge.  A more specific pointer to where to
look would have been useful.
>
> I don't think Systemd was the best choice but I do think it solved more
> problems than it created.

I think it was an example of "A bird in the hand..." -- the people
writing systemd created it more rapidly as a complete system than the
others I think. 

>
> Sysvinit was *broken*.

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  Re: How do I hate systemd?  Let me count the ways. Yrrah <Yrrah-aolu@aolu.invalid> - 2019-01-25 17:12 +0100
    Re: How do I hate systemd?  Let me count the ways. Pedidos <2563769409@qq.com> - 2019-01-25 16:53 +0000
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      Re: How do I hate systemd Let me count the ways. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-25 22:01 +0100
        Re: How do I hate systemd Let me count the ways. gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2019-01-25 22:25 +0000
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          Re: How do I hate systemd Let me count the ways. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-01-26 00:44 +0000
            Re: How do I hate systemd Let me count the ways. Austin <gscm708740@gmail.com> - 2019-01-26 11:31 +0000
            Re: How do I hate systemd Let me count the ways. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-26 13:52 +0100
            Re: How do I hate systemd Let me count the ways. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-01-26 11:30 -0600
              Re: How do I hate systemd Let me count the ways. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-01-26 20:04 +0000
                Re: How do I hate systemd Let me count the ways. Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-01-27 09:30 +0000
              Re: How do I hate systemd Let me count the ways. Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-01-26 22:30 +0000
          Re: How do I hate systemd Let me count the ways. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-26 13:47 +0100
          Re: How do I hate systemd Let me count the ways. Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-02-03 12:12 -0500
            Re: How do I hate systemd Let me count the ways. rlhamil@bigapple.pri (Richard L. Hamilton) - 2019-02-04 07:53 +0000
            Re: How do I hate systemd Let me count the ways. Ventas <ventas@cartrackgps.net> - 2019-02-04 13:35 +0000
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              Re: How do I hate systemd Let me count the ways. Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-01-26 22:24 +0000
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