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| From | Peter Franks <none@none.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | talk.politics.guns, misc.survivalism, alt.atheism, alt.politics.economics, alt.philosophy, alt.politics.usa.constitution |
| Subject | Re: Who pays for Illegals? |
| Date | 2019-01-24 10:41 -0800 |
| Organization | . |
| Message-ID | <q2d0s8$goe$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | (17 earlier) <q2cms7$ff0$2@dont-email.me> <q2cn7d$i8r$1@dont-email.me> <gau61vF6n99U3@mid.individual.net> <q2csni$l7i$1@dont-email.me> <gaueo5F8i31U3@mid.individual.net> |
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On 1/24/2019 10:33 AM, Snit wrote: > On 1/24/19 10:30 AM, Peter Franks wrote: >> On 1/24/2019 8:05 AM, Snit wrote: >>> Peter Franks <none@none.com> wrote: >>>> On 1/24/2019 7:50 AM, Peter Franks wrote: >>>>> On 1/24/2019 7:22 AM, jim wrote: >>>>>> Peter Franks wrote on 1/23/2019 8:58 PM: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I prefer a comparison that looks beyond the "rate" >>>>>>>> on taxable income. A comparison that looks at >>>>>>>> the total tax and the total income >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you think it is progressive when the "rate " is >>>>>>>> applied to 100% of the low income worker while >>>>>>>> applied to only 1% of what the highest earner >>>>>>>> makes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sounds to me like you are arguing against the accepted definition. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, I am arguing against accepted definitions. It took you >>>>>> long enough to figure that out. The tax code is composed >>>>>> mostly of definitions. If you simply accept the definitions >>>>>> as being equitable and reasonable... >>>>> >>>>> I did no such thing. >>>> >>>> Further, this portion of the discussion originated with my statement >>>> that "Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is >>>> no longer universal healthcare." which was speaking /specifically/ to >>>> universal health care. In that case the system of taxation is most >>>> definitely progressive. Honestly though, I don't really care what you >>>> call it. Just accept the simple fact that it is NOT universal, it >>>> is an >>>> entitlement. >>>> >>>> 'Universal' is quite simply a system where everyone pays the same for >>>> the same benefit. >>>> >>>> Universal health care is an entitlement program. >>>> >>> >>> We are all entitled to basic health care. Sure. >> >> Am I still entitled if I don't pay taxes? > > If you are 6 years old you still get health care. > If you are a disabled vet you still get health care. > If you are otherwise disabled you STILL get health care. > > Yes, in a modern civilization of enormous wealth there is NO reason for > you to not get basic health care, no matter how badly right wingers want > to push their death panels. Am I still entitled if I don't pay taxes? >>> And government taxes. It has to. None of us like paying. Oh well. >>> >> > >
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Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 09:46 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 09:52 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 14:38 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 13:48 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Ted <francisgerard@tutanota.com> - 2019-01-23 21:55 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 18:56 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Ted <francisgerard@tutanota.com> - 2019-01-24 03:07 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 06:37 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 17:46 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 18:58 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 09:22 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 07:50 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 07:56 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 16:05 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 09:30 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:33 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 10:41 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 12:03 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 12:42 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 12:24 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:05 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:13 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 13:56 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 17:33 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 23:59 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 03:08 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 08:17 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:12 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:35 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 10:45 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 10:50 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 15:58 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 16:10 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 17:16 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 16:40 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 17:28 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:45 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 12:24 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:05 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 13:57 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 12:16 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:28 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 10:37 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:45 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 12:25 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:03 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 13:57 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 17:37 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:47 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 12:13 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 10:34 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:46 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 12:50 -0600
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