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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | talk.politics.guns, misc.survivalism, alt.atheism, alt.politics.economics, alt.philosophy, alt.politics.usa.constitution |
| Subject | Re: Who pays for Illegals? |
| Date | 2019-01-24 11:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <gaueo5F8i31U3@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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On 1/24/19 10:30 AM, Peter Franks wrote: > On 1/24/2019 8:05 AM, Snit wrote: >> Peter Franks <none@none.com> wrote: >>> On 1/24/2019 7:50 AM, Peter Franks wrote: >>>> On 1/24/2019 7:22 AM, jim wrote: >>>>> Peter Franks wrote on 1/23/2019 8:58 PM: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I prefer a comparison that looks beyond the "rate" >>>>>>> on taxable income. A comparison that looks at >>>>>>> the total tax and the total income >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you think it is progressive when the "rate " is >>>>>>> applied to 100% of the low income worker while >>>>>>> applied to only 1% of what the highest earner >>>>>>> makes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sounds to me like you are arguing against the accepted definition. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I am arguing against accepted definitions. It took you >>>>> long enough to figure that out. The tax code is composed >>>>> mostly of definitions. If you simply accept the definitions >>>>> as being equitable and reasonable... >>>> >>>> I did no such thing. >>> >>> Further, this portion of the discussion originated with my statement >>> that "Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is >>> no longer universal healthcare." which was speaking /specifically/ to >>> universal health care. In that case the system of taxation is most >>> definitely progressive. Honestly though, I don't really care what you >>> call it. Just accept the simple fact that it is NOT universal, it is an >>> entitlement. >>> >>> 'Universal' is quite simply a system where everyone pays the same for >>> the same benefit. >>> >>> Universal health care is an entitlement program. >>> >> >> We are all entitled to basic health care. Sure. > > Am I still entitled if I don't pay taxes? If you are 6 years old you still get health care. If you are a disabled vet you still get health care. If you are otherwise disabled you STILL get health care. Yes, in a modern civilization of enormous wealth there is NO reason for you to not get basic health care, no matter how badly right wingers want to push their death panels. > >> And government taxes. It has to. None of us like paying. Oh well. >> > -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 09:46 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 09:52 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 14:38 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 13:48 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Ted <francisgerard@tutanota.com> - 2019-01-23 21:55 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 18:56 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Ted <francisgerard@tutanota.com> - 2019-01-24 03:07 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 06:37 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 17:46 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 18:58 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 09:22 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 07:50 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 07:56 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 16:05 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 09:30 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:33 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 10:41 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 12:03 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 12:42 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 12:24 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:05 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:13 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 13:56 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 17:33 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 23:59 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 03:08 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 08:17 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:12 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:35 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 10:45 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 10:50 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 15:58 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 16:10 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 17:16 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 16:40 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 17:28 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:45 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 12:24 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:05 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 13:57 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 12:16 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:28 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 10:37 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:45 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 12:25 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:03 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 13:57 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 17:37 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:47 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 12:13 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 10:34 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:46 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 12:50 -0600
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