Re: Who pays for Illegals?

From	jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net>
Newsgroups	talk.politics.guns, misc.survivalism, alt.atheism, alt.politics.economics, alt.philosophy, alt.politics.usa.constitution
Subject	Re: Who pays for Illegals?
Date	2019-01-23 14:38 -0600
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Peter Franks wrote on 1/23/2019 11:52 AM:
> On 1/23/2019 7:46 AM, jim wrote:
>> Peter Franks wrote on 1/22/2019 9:41 AM:
>>>>
>>>> Most Americans pay sales tax on their retail purchases.
>>>> They mostly have to pay  like 4%-8%. But consider all the sales
>>>> that don't have to pay sales tax. There is no sales tax on
>>>> the sale of stocks or bonds.  Lets imagine there was  a 1%
>>>> federal sales tax on all money  transfers on Fedwire.
>>>> How much money would that raise?
>>>>   The answer is it would not only balance the federal budget,
>>>> but it would pay off the federal debt in less than 5 years.
>>>>
>>>> The whole perception that taxes are skewed against the
>>>> wealthy is a myth. There is no doubt the laws are designed
>>>> to make it look like the wealthy pay higher percentages. but
>>>> who is writing those laws?
>>>
>>> No, I said progressive, I meant progressive.
>>>
>>> https://www.cbo.gov/publication/51361
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yes those are the facts that are used to present a
>> the  narrative that the wealthy pay more of their income
>> in taxes.  I have said that before, but the CBO story is
>> based on  facts that are artificially created by the tax laws.
>>
>> The problem is those are not empirical facts.
>> They are the facts as defined by the tax code and
>> the tax code defined facts are carefully designed to
>> support that narrative that the CBO is presenting.
>>
>> I have given several examples of how that works that
>> you ignore. You ignore it because the CBO tells you
>> to ignore those facts and  you, absent any critical thought.
>>   comply
>>
>> Payroll tax is a tax on worker wages. That's a fact. If the
>> employer replaces the worker with a robot, the employer
>> no longer has to pay that tax to get the same work done.
>> The tax only applies to work done by an American worker.
>> The Congress has instructed the CBO through the tax
>> code to ignore most of the payroll taxes when computing
>> how much of the American worker's  wages are taxed. If
>> the company outsources the work abroad it doesn't pay the tax.
>> If it has a machine do the work it doesn't pay the tax. Its
>> only when an American worker does the work that the payroll
>> tax is paid, but less then half of what the govt collects is
>> counted as paid on wages when the CBO calculates how
>> much of a tax burden the American worker bears . And that
>> distortion of reality that the tax code creates, impacts the
>> lowest
>> paid workers the most.
>>
>> Here's another example: Just the other day I heard that
>> the five wealthiest Americans currently have their wealth
>> increasing by $2.5 billion per day. They are accumulating
>> wealth at a rate of  more than a million dollars per second.
>> How much do you suppose the CBO calculates that they
>> pay in taxes on that $2.5 billion/day?
>> Its very small because the amount that the tax code defines
>> as income is very tiny or even non existent.
>> In comparison when a low income worker acquires wealth by
>> working, usually 100% of that amount is taxed.
>>
>> So when the ratio of income to taxes is done for the
>> wealthy, most of the income is excluded and most of
>> the taxes are counted, but for the low income worker
>>   the income is all counted and most of the taxes excluded.
>>
>> None of this suggests that the CBO is doing anything
>> sinister or that their calculations are not accurate. The
>> CBO is just following the law as it currently exists
>
> None of that, including what you heard the other day, refutes
> the evidence that this is a progressive tax system.
>

Who knows what you think "progressive tax systems" means.
You are very careful to avoid saying anything of substance
that might give a clue what you think the phrase means.

What I wrote above does make it pretty clear that
the activities of wealth accumulation by the lowest
income Americans is taxed much more heavily than
the wealth accumulation activities of those who
accumulate the most .

So I will repeat my original question. Is that what
you call progressive or did you mean regressive?

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Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-09 15:08 -0800
  Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 18:28 -0700
    Re: Who pays for Illegals? Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-09 17:40 -0800
      Re: Who pays for Illegals? Clave <ChrisClavius@TheMonastery.com> - 2019-01-09 18:00 -0800
        Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 19:21 -0700
          Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-09 19:55 -0800
            Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 05:03 +0000
              Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-11 18:22 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 19:33 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-18 09:43 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-23 13:49 -0500
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-23 11:58 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-23 14:31 -0500
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 15:03 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-24 16:49 -0500
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 17:16 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-24 18:44 -0500
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-24 18:53 -0500
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 18:34 -0600
            Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 07:30 -0700
              Re: Who pays for Illegals? Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-10 06:38 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-11 18:37 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 19:52 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-12 04:50 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-18 10:27 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-18 12:27 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-18 16:03 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-18 17:29 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Clave <ChrisClavius@TheMonastery.com> - 2019-01-18 17:07 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Clave <ChrisClavius@TheMonastery.com> - 2019-01-11 18:53 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 19:58 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Clave <ChrisClavius@TheMonastery.com> - 2019-01-11 19:15 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 20:19 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Clave <ChrisClavius@TheMonastery.com> - 2019-01-11 20:06 -0800
              Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-11 18:34 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 19:51 -0700
      Re: Who pays for Illegals? "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-10 00:28 -0500
        Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 05:54 +0000
          Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-11 18:38 -0800
            Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 19:54 -0700
              Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-18 10:36 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-18 12:25 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-18 16:05 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-18 17:27 -0700
            Re: Who pays for Illegals? "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-11 22:16 -0500
          Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-12 06:44 +0000
      Re: Who pays for Illegals? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-02-05 10:18 -0800
    Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-09 19:53 -0800
      Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 05:03 +0000
        Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-11 18:39 -0800
          Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 19:47 -0700
            Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-18 10:37 -0800
              Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-18 12:23 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-18 16:06 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-18 17:26 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-18 16:47 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-18 17:56 -0700
    Re: Who pays for Illegals? Avenging Angel <Not.fucking.likely@NoWay.com> - 2019-01-12 17:53 +0000
      Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-12 18:41 +0000
        Re: Who pays for Illegals? Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-12 10:49 -0800
  Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-20 16:31 -0600
    Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-20 15:49 -0700
      Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-20 17:37 -0600
        Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-20 17:03 -0700
          Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-20 18:37 -0600
          Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-20 21:12 -0700
            Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-20 22:17 -0700
              Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 06:36 +0000
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-21 02:04 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 09:10 +0000
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-22 04:20 -0800
            Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingN0Sp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-21 07:42 -0600
              Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 15:49 +0000
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-21 10:38 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 18:03 +0000
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 11:05 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 11:20 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 11:29 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 14:20 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 14:23 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 15:03 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-22 06:23 +0000
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-21 12:54 -0600
          Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-21 10:23 -0600
    Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-20 16:43 -0700
      Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-20 18:21 -0600
    Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-22 07:41 -0800
      Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-22 09:28 -0700
        Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-22 11:06 -0800
          Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-22 14:07 -0700
            Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 09:51 -0800
              Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-23 19:29 +0000
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 13:46 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 17:33 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 18:54 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 09:39 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 07:48 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 12:44 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 12:23 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:04 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 17:36 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Ted <francisgerard@tutanota.com> - 2019-01-25 00:55 +0000
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 19:22 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 23:52 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 03:00 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:29 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 10:48 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 19:32 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:30 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 10:47 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 21:50 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 22:49 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 07:48 +0000
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 03:01 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 08:43 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 12:35 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 12:47 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 16:23 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 14:38 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 17:24 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-24 17:02 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 07:48 +0000
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:03 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 10:26 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:47 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:32 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 16:27 +0000
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 07:59 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:06 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 16:29 +0000
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:45 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 14:13 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 13:48 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 12:52 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 16:54 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 16:06 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 10:53 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 09:02 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 14:25 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-25 16:20 -0500
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 16:04 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 14:18 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 16:34 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 14:40 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 21:34 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 20:08 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-26 06:14 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-26 08:01 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-26 11:15 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-26 10:19 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-26 13:49 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-27 07:44 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-27 12:11 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-27 11:25 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-27 14:12 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-27 19:49 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-28 08:27 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-28 07:40 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-28 08:21 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-27 09:38 -0500
                Who's taxes pay for Illegals? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-25 17:19 -0500
                Re: Who's taxes pay for Illegals? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 15:23 -0700
                Re: Who's taxes pay for Illegals? Ted <francisgerard@tutanota.com> - 2019-01-26 21:04 +0000
                Who's taxes pay for Illegal aliens and incompetent Democrat run businesses? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-26 14:06 -0500
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 15:22 -0600
      Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 09:46 -0600
        Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 09:52 -0800
          Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 14:38 -0600
            Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 13:48 -0800
              Re: Who pays for Illegals? Ted <francisgerard@tutanota.com> - 2019-01-23 21:55 +0000
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 18:56 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Ted <francisgerard@tutanota.com> - 2019-01-24 03:07 +0000
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 06:37 -0800
              Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 17:46 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 18:58 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 09:22 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 07:50 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 07:56 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 16:05 +0000
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 09:30 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:33 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 10:41 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 12:03 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 12:42 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 12:24 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:05 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:13 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 13:56 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 17:33 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 23:59 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 03:08 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 08:17 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:12 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:35 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 10:45 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 10:50 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 15:58 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 16:10 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 17:16 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 16:40 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 17:28 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:45 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 12:24 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:05 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 13:57 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 12:16 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:28 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 10:37 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:45 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 12:25 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:03 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 13:57 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 17:37 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:47 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 12:13 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 10:34 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:46 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 12:50 -0600

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