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Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole

From moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole
Date 2019-01-19 16:37 +0000
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john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Let's see if you can put two thoughts together, Michael:

Unlikely, but go ahead and try.

>You say the star is "shredded by tidal forces".

Google "Roche Limit" for more details.

>Then you say that jets form because "splash" results in the charged particles
>being swept into the powerful magnetic fields as they're falling towards the hole.

Vaguely correct. Congrats, you did find a clue somewhere.

>So- how do 'tidal forces' turn all the matter into ions and high energy radiations?

No, tidal forces "shred" the star and cause its matter to be attracted to the
hole. The matter forms accretion disks, much like Saturn's rings.

It is the extreme gravity of the hole that causes the matter of the disk to interact
and get heated to extreme temperatures, it becomes ionized extremely hot plasma.
(this doesn't happen for Saturn's rings, Saturn's gravity is nowhere near powerful
enough. However Saturn's gravity was strong enough to circularize the ring's matter
and form it into a very thin disk over time)

The ionized plasma+magnetic fields+extreme GR conditions (also not relevant for
Saturn) cause the jets.

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