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| Started by | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2019-01-11 16:55 -0800 |
| Last post | 2019-01-19 15:12 +0000 |
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Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 16:55 -0800
Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 17:02 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-11 19:43 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-12 04:36 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 05:12 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 15:27 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 14:11 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-12 22:23 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-12 14:34 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 00:33 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 18:46 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 12:40 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 11:48 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 21:05 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 14:17 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 22:24 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 15:38 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-14 01:05 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 16:52 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 22:34 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 15:36 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 16:49 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-14 01:01 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-14 00:57 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 22:40 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 10:13 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-12 17:29 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-12 11:06 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-12 20:42 +0100
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-11 21:24 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 00:20 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2019-01-18 14:04 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-18 18:44 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2019-01-19 12:40 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-18 20:21 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2019-01-19 12:42 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Earle Jones <earledjones@icloud.com> - 2019-01-19 12:54 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-19 05:39 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-18 22:15 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-19 07:00 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-19 01:22 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-19 15:12 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-19 16:52 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-19 09:28 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-19 16:22 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2019-01-19 11:39 -0500
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-20 20:50 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 07:01 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 15:18 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 09:26 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 11:38 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 12:13 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 14:45 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 16:16 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 17:11 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 17:43 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 17:14 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 17:30 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 17:52 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 18:07 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 20:05 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 20:37 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 07:03 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 07:40 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 08:05 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 16:11 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 09:14 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 13:04 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 14:13 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-23 00:09 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 15:42 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 16:27 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 17:05 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 20:39 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 20:53 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 21:19 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-23 05:33 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 21:43 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 21:50 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-23 02:10 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-23 11:20 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-23 20:33 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 05:24 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 10:20 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 10:41 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-25 19:05 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-25 18:56 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 13:18 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 23:32 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-25 12:20 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 13:21 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 23:32 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-25 19:39 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 23:19 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2019-01-26 12:53 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-26 14:25 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 11:42 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-26 09:56 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-26 19:13 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 23:32 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 16:49 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-26 01:05 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-23 11:20 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 20:48 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 20:54 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole "Chris M. Thomasson" <ahh_f_it@crap.nothing> - 2019-01-22 19:33 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 20:41 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 12:52 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 05:38 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 15:37 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 17:51 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-19 01:31 -0800
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-19 16:37 +0000
Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-19 15:12 +0000
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-25 16:49 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <1f097fe5-5e83-422a-8ad3-54b043670834@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #724663 |
Odd “You who are the fan of simple explanations in plain language can’t explain yourself in plain language? For shame. ” It’s self evident. L
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-26 01:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q2gbpg$17b2$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #724673 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “You who are the fan of simple explanations in plain language can’t explain > yourself in plain language? For shame. > ” > It’s self evident. > L > Can’t do it with math. Can’t do it with plain language. Boy. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-23 11:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q29im1$fk9$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #724397 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “Explain this stuff to me! ” > It’s plain now that you can’t > And so you typify the third grade rant I JUST got through satirizing. Well done. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | mitchrae3323@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2019-01-22 20:48 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <9be6af4a-d9fa-4268-a82c-a591bda4888b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #724353 |
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 4:27:28 PM UTC-8, john wrote: > pnal > “John, are you now claiming that you have observed galaxies precessing? Are you claiming that you have observed that "Galaxies and atoms are the same thing at different scales."? ” > Those are observations that could be attributed to galaxies precessing. > We know now which way galaxies turn, Wrong. They don't turn at all. Gravity is giving their motions. They have no way to turn with each other. They have outer stars orbiting all together in the same direction around their maximum non black hole gravity center... Their local orbital curved motions are slow. God creates gravity. Mitchell Raemsch > but for years there was some uncertainty, because the movement is so imperceptible to us. > It may surprise you to learn that this isn’t something that can just be ‘observed’. It must be studied. > The disc warps, bent jets etc are indications; it would take more than just me to prove an observation of precession. > > You didn’t know that? > > But if they precess- and I assure you they do- they are then spherical, like atoms. Yes.
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| From | pnalsing@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2019-01-22 20:54 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <56a2286a-e059-431b-92a4-a67a70d6856b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #724385 |
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 8:48:10 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > Wrong. They don't turn at all. Gravity is giving > their motions. They have no way to turn with each other. > They have outer stars orbiting all together in the same > direction around their maximum non black hole gravity > center... Their local orbital curved motions are slow. Go back to sleep, Mitch...
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <ahh_f_it@crap.nothing> |
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| Date | 2019-01-22 19:33 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <q28na8$3cg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #724351 |
On 1/22/2019 3:42 PM, pnalsing@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 7:40:41 AM UTC-8, john wrote: >> pnal >> >> “Total bullshit, John, this latest claim of yours is complete bullshit, plucked straight out of your ass and without a lick of evidence.” > >> So observations are no longer evidence? > > John, are you now claiming that you have observed galaxies precessing? Are you claiming that you have observed that "Galaxies and atoms are the same thing at different scales."? > Some of the stars that are close to a BH have curious looking orbits. <warning: fantasy land> They might resemble orbits in an atom where the nucleus is like a little BH. </warning: fantasy land>
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| From | pnalsing@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2019-01-22 20:41 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ab7b18b7-0f72-41d5-b015-47d7a14c17c6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #724377 |
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 7:33:32 PM UTC-8, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > Some of the stars that are close to a BH have curious looking orbits. Well, Chris, once you understand that those stars are orbiting a 4,000,000 solar mass object, their orbits are not curious at all, but rather follow the laws of physics perfectly. > <warning: fantasy land> > They might resemble orbits in an atom where the nucleus is like a little BH. > </warning: fantasy land> Fantasy land, for sure. Yes, the nucleus is way heavier than the electrons, but protons and neutrons only weigh 1837 times heavier than electrons, not 4 million times heavier... and no physicist really thinks that electrons orbit the nucleus just like planets orbit the Sun or stars orbit a BH. Here, read this 6-year-old link that shines a little light on the subject... https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=21747 "... Rutherford's experiments showed that the mass of atoms was mostly concentrated in a very small region, with charge equal to the atomic number- the nucleus. He absolutely did not show, nor is it true, that electrons orbit the nucleus as if they were planets. That was a guess people made in trying to figure out how to picture the atom. It was quickly realized that the guess was not workable because the electromagnetic radiation would cause the atom to collapse very quickly..." There are undoubtedly much better references out there, but this one will do just fone to make the relevant point... atoms and galaxies are definitely not the same things at a different scale.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-22 12:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q273mq$1epm$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #724278 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > pnal > “Go back to sleep, Mitch, nothing going on here... ” > Yes nothing. > Pnal won’t venture any explanation for disc warps, spherical halos, bent > jets and asymmetrical galactic rotation curves- all of which are > explained by galactic precession. John, the accounting for all these things have been given to you before. You either cannot absorb any information, or you just ignore it because it doesn’t match your preconceptions. “Asymmetric rotation can’t happen in a solid disk!” “Galaxies aren’t solid disks, John, they’re fluid.” “How can fluids show arms?!” “Same way cream in your coffee shows swirls, John.” “But coffee left to swirl forever becomes homogenous!” “Galaxies haven’t been around forever, John, just ten or twenty turns.” “You guys gotta think outta the box and stop pursuing dead ideas!” Etc. Etc. Etc. > He won’t even address it- just goes into a ‘you know nothing’ rant that > sounds A LOT like someone we know- > Clownass Dink? Could pnal be James? Maybe > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-22 05:38 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2fe2f96a-485e-4847-8920-e2304d352fde@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #724294 |
Odd “Galaxies haven’t been around forever, John, just ten or twenty turns.” That’s funny
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-22 15:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q27dba$s2h$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #724295 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “Galaxies haven’t been around forever, John, just ten or twenty turns.” > That’s funny > Good example of what I was talking about. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | pnalsing@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2019-01-21 17:51 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <c593e651-5969-4292-a395-d2d4c1f121d9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #724244 |
On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 5:14:28 PM UTC-8, john wrote: > pnal > “Now you are trying to turn this all back on me, whic” > I’m just asking how you explain warped discs, spherical halos, bent jets, and asymmetrical galactic rotation curves. I do it by saying that galaxies precess. > > How do you reconcile these observations? > > Once again, I don’t expect an answer- you don’t have one. > :( I've got lots of answers, John, way more than you can possibly comprehend. This is understandable since you don't have any basis in physics which would allow you to understand most of what I might say. You just wouldn't get it, and tell me how dumb I am. No thanks, been there, done that. If you come here wanting to learn, then baby steps are the order of the day. It will take years, and you will need to work at it. I would say "go read this" and you wouldn't do it, and then complain that I'm not explaining it right. You don't have the will to do the work and I, and others here, don't have the patience to work with a guy who is unappreciative of all our years of hard work in school... but there are no shortcuts to learning physics... which is just another one of the many things that you just don't know. You argue with virtually everyone who does not agree with you.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-19 01:31 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <89a35b1a-728c-4fea-ac39-20381f9d7ee7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #723918 |
MM “reality, NOTHING escapes from black holes, except perhaps Hawking radiation. In particular, the "huge jets" don't. They come from the inner accretion disk, OUTSIDE the hole. ” Let’s see if you can put two thoughts together, Michael: You say the star is ‘shredded by tidal forces’. Then you say that jets form because ‘splash’ results in the charged particles being swept into the powerful magnetic fields as they’re falling towards the hole. So- how do ‘tidal forces’ turn all the matter into ions and high energy radiations?
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2019-01-19 16:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q1vjos$i8d$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #723923 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Let's see if you can put two thoughts together, Michael: Unlikely, but go ahead and try. >You say the star is "shredded by tidal forces". Google "Roche Limit" for more details. >Then you say that jets form because "splash" results in the charged particles >being swept into the powerful magnetic fields as they're falling towards the hole. Vaguely correct. Congrats, you did find a clue somewhere. >So- how do 'tidal forces' turn all the matter into ions and high energy radiations? No, tidal forces "shred" the star and cause its matter to be attracted to the hole. The matter forms accretion disks, much like Saturn's rings. It is the extreme gravity of the hole that causes the matter of the disk to interact and get heated to extreme temperatures, it becomes ionized extremely hot plasma. (this doesn't happen for Saturn's rings, Saturn's gravity is nowhere near powerful enough. However Saturn's gravity was strong enough to circularize the ring's matter and form it into a very thin disk over time) The ionized plasma+magnetic fields+extreme GR conditions (also not relevant for Saturn) cause the jets.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-19 15:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q1vepj$1p0m$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #723913 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > MM > “Tidal disruption, when the force of tides > becomes stronger than an object's self-gravity, and it gets torn apart. Happens > when something gets too close to a massive compact body. Such as a black hole. ” > > Those couldn’t be Black Holes, though, because huge jets keep shooting out of them > You keep mentioning that jets cannot possibly be observed shooting out from the vicinity of black holes. Why do you insist that this cannot happen? -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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