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Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users

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On 2019-01-07 10:34 a.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 10:13:34 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> 
>> The last line there is NOT a fact.
> 
> Play your silly games, Alan Baker.

How is pointing out that you knowingly posted as fact something that was 
untrue...

(What us normal adults call "lying", BTW)

...a "silly game".

> 
> I only care about actual facts.

Yet you posted this:

'o Neflix was the top grossing iOS app'
  o Netflix grossed $853 million in 2018 on the iOS App Store
  o Apple¢s take would have been around $256 million'

And you (implicitly) knew that the last line there was not a fact.

> For example, this post has another cite on subscription revenue facts:
> o Changes are coming in both Google & Apple subscription revenue models
>   <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/eptvfMa3V_Y>
> 
> Here's a copy of that post in its entirety...
> Changes are coming in both Google & Apple subscription revenue models.
> (apparently)
> 
> Given these are big changes in subscription models in a short time...
> What other observations of change do you notice in app subscription models?
> 
> Netflix completely dropped out of each market only recently:
> o Netflix dropped out of the Google Play store in May 2018
> o Netflix dropped out of the iTunes App Store in December 2018
> 
> I was looking up the Netflix numbers where this article shows the top ten
> grossing apps on both iOS and Android - which - interestingly - have huge
> differences and yet - some similarities ...
> <https://venturebeat.com/2018/12/28/netflix-permanently-pulls-itunes-billing-for-new-users/>
> 
> *iOS App Store Revenue: *
> 1. Netflix
> 2. Fortnite
> 3. Candy Crush Saga
> 4. YouTube
> 5. Tinder
> 6. Pandora
> 7. Roblox
> 8. Clash of Clans
> 9. Hulu
> 10. Marvel COC
> 
> *Android Google Play Revenue:*
> 3 -> 1. Candy Crush Saga
> 2. Pokemon GO
> 6->3. Pandora
> 8->4. Clash of Clans
> 5<->5. Tinder
> 6. Slotomania
> 7. Toon Blast
> 8. Candy Crush Soda
> 9. Google One
> 10. FFXV: New Empire
> 
> I'm not sure what percentage Netflix pays, as there are 3 possibilities:
> o 30% the first year, and 15% thereafter
> o 15% the first year and thereafter
> o Negotiated percentages (which one would assume is the situation)
> 
> This article supports the 30% for the first year numbers:
> <https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/21/17764424/netflix-feature-bypass-apples-app-store-fees>
>   "Netflix and other apps currently pay Apple 30 percent of a
>     userˆ first subscription and 15 percent for renewals. "
> 
> Yet this article said the app store percentage is now 15%:
> <https://venturebeat.com/2018/12/28/netflix-permanently-pulls-itunes-billing-for-new-users/>
>    "Apple and Google charge 15 percent on each in-app subscription
>     on their platforms. The two used to take a 30 percent cut, but in
>     the past two years have slashed their ask."
> 
> As of today, it's now 0% for Netflix subscriptions (for new subscribers).
> 
> Given these are big changes in subscription models in a short time...
> What other observations of change do you notice in app subscription models?

The article YOU CHOSE as an authority told you that the model was 30% in 
the first year, but 15% after that year.

But you chose to ignore that fact.

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Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@holder.com> - 2018-12-29 03:46 +0000
  Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-12-29 12:37 -0500
    Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2018-12-30 16:34 +0000
      Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-04 20:39 +0000
        Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-04 13:39 -0800
          Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-04 22:34 +0000
            Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-04 15:01 -0800
              Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-05 14:24 +0000
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-05 12:32 -0800
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-05 20:52 +0000
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-05 12:53 -0800
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-05 20:59 +0000
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-05 13:28 -0800
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-06 00:17 +0000
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-05 16:30 -0800
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-06 04:53 +0000
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-05 21:49 -0800
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-06 10:26 +0000
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-06 10:13 -0800
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-07 18:34 +0000
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-07 10:42 -0800
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-07 18:58 +0000
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-07 11:06 -0800
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-08 01:43 +0000
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-08 16:43 +0000
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-08 09:57 -0800
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-08 20:12 +0000
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-08 12:17 -0800
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-08 22:07 +0000
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-08 23:23 +0000
    Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-07 15:50 -0500
      Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2019-01-07 14:11 -0800
      Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2019-01-08 14:06 -0500
        Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-08 20:12 +0000
        Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-08 20:10 -0500

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