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Re: No universal expansion

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: No universal expansion
Date	2018-12-26 13:40 +0000
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benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/25/2018 7:56 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/24/2018 1:47 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Odd
>>>>> “How would you reconcile this with coming to realize you’ve made a mistake? ”
>>>>> 
>>>>> What is your thought process, here?
>>>>> This is clear proof that BB is the mistake.
>>>>> So you just ignore?
>>>>> Did you read their work?
>>>>> Is the math solid?
>>>> 
>>>> No, not really. But you wouldn’t really be in a position to judge, would
>>>> you?
>>>> 
>>>> What you call “clear proof” is anything that appears to agree with you.
>>>> Whatever is “proven false” is whatever you don’t like. Nice balance.
>>> 
>>> How would Boinker know anything about science? He is determined to
>>> maintain his total ignorance and therefore refuses to even read any
>>> ideas that run counter to his ignorance. And that is especially true for
>>> any data which disproves his beliefs. How can one argue with such
>>> determination to remain stupid? You can't.
>>> 
>>> This paper clearly shows the mistake of the red shift and expanding
>>> universe.
>> 
>> No, actually, the papers of David F Crawford have been systematically
>> repudiated. He nevertheless persists in the static universe model, and
>> despite your rants that contrarian ideas are suppressed, you see that his
>> papers have been published.
>> 
>> They’ve convinced no one of repute, note.
> 
> So what you are saying is that all those of 'repute" agree that his 
> theory is "wrong". And they command authority based upon their 
> reputations, number of papers they have published, their titles, how 
> many awards they've been given and a general "consensus" of those in 
> science (especially officers of science trade organizations. rather than 
> actual scientists). In other words there is no actual science that shows 
> his data to be wrong.

No, that’s not what I said. 
There have been responses to his papers. They’re easy to look up. 

> 
> If you want to do science, Odd, rather than religion and politics, point 
> us to a paper that shows the Crawford data is wrong. That is the key in 
> the world of science.

That’s easy. Use the citation index. It shows the papers that cite his
paper. 

> 
> 
>>> Allow me to explain, John, how this result proves that the BB is the
>>> biggest mistake of all physics.  Physics has assumed that the measured
>>> Red shift is is due to Doppler and velocity. that infers that the
>>> farther ojects are away the more their light gets shifted. And indeed
>>> farther objects appear to be shifted more. This has given rise to the
>>> theory of an expanding universe. And given an expansion, one can
>>> logically run it backwards in time and ask when did it begin and how?
>>> And this lead to the assumption of a so-called "big bang". All logical
>>> and all consistent and all wrong.
>> 
>> Notice how differently you use “logical” compared to the way John uses that
>> word. John would say that the Big Bang is not logical at all, because his
>> mind tells him it can’t happen and therefore it must be against all logic.
> 
> You are correct in this. The "big bang" theory is indeed "logical" which 
> is why it is widely believed to be true. It just happens to be wrong. 
> Fitting most of the data isn't enough for science. A theory must fit all 
> the data or it's wrong.

Well, it can’t have a clear and unambiguous prediction that is counter to
confirmed observational data. 
Got any examples of that?

> 
>>> And this paper shows WHY! Because as you measure TIME INTERVALS from
>>> distance places, namely gamma ray bursts, you find that such time
>>> intervals are transmitted without any time dilation. In other words the
>>> frequency of LIGHT is shifted down in wavelength but actual time
>>> intervals are NOT changed with distance! This is a major key finding.
>>> 
>>> What this says (as can be shown) is that the red shift is due to the
>>> geometry of the ANGLE distance objects make with our space and not
>>> because of the DISTANCE of the objects from us. The ANGLE changes
>>> because of the geometry of distance! It's as simple as that.
>>> 
>>> John, This paper is an excellent and very important find!
>>> 
>>>>> I don’t think you know
>>> 
>>> And as usual Odd is nothing but a senile babbling fool determined to
>>> stay as stupid as he can for as long as he can.
>>> 
>>> Hey Odd, you ignorant moron, Just READ that paper and then come back and
>>> discuss science instead of puerile name calling.
> 
> Well I see this was pissing in the wind. The best "science" you can come 
> up with to refute John is Crawford has "convinced no one of repute".
> 
> Great science, Odd. I think I'll go with John's imagination instead.

Your choice. That’s what he does too.

> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Thread

No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 03:56 -0800
  Re: No universal expansion Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-22 14:34 +0100
    Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 06:58 -0800
      Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 15:51 +0000
        Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 08:02 -0800
          Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 18:56 +0000
        Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 11:59 -0500
        Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-23 05:04 -0800
          Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 18:47 +0000
            Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 15:55 -0500
              Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 12:56 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 05:58 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 21:38 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 22:52 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:42 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:23 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 16:51 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 22:28 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 16:23 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:40 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 22:58 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:40 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:17 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 20:18 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 16:19 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 23:25 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 19:42 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 01:48 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 16:33 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 23:26 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 19:50 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 01:48 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 08:22 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 16:58 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 09:05 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 18:32 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 10:56 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 01:44 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 00:02 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 12:08 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 07:40 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 04:03 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 11:53 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 14:12 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-28 14:44 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 04:06 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 11:51 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 03:16 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 13:44 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-29 22:30 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:27 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 03:16 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:20 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 04:03 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 14:10 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:39 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-26 10:41 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 16:50 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:40 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:10 -0500
      Re: No universal expansion Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-24 23:46 +0100
        Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-24 19:19 -0800
          Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 05:44 -0500
            Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-25 10:18 -0800
  Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-22 11:39 -0800
  Re: No universal expansion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 10:26 -0800

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