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Re: No universal expansion

From	benj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: No universal expansion
Date	2018-12-25 16:50 -0500
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On 12/25/2018 7:56 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12/24/2018 1:47 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Odd
>>>> “How would you reconcile this with coming to realize you’ve made a mistake? ”
>>>>
>>>> What is your thought process, here?
>>>> This is clear proof that BB is the mistake.
>>>> So you just ignore?
>>>> Did you read their work?
>>>> Is the math solid?
>>>
>>> No, not really. But you wouldn’t really be in a position to judge, would
>>> you?
>>>
>>> What you call “clear proof” is anything that appears to agree with you.
>>> Whatever is “proven false” is whatever you don’t like. Nice balance.
>>
>> How would Boinker know anything about science? He is determined to
>> maintain his total ignorance and therefore refuses to even read any
>> ideas that run counter to his ignorance. And that is especially true for
>> any data which disproves his beliefs. How can one argue with such
>> determination to remain stupid? You can't.
>>
>> This paper clearly shows the mistake of the red shift and expanding
>> universe.
> 
> No, actually, the papers of David F Crawford have been systematically
> repudiated. He nevertheless persists in the static universe model, and
> despite your rants that contrarian ideas are suppressed, you see that his
> papers have been published.
> 
> They’ve convinced no one of repute, note.

So what you are saying is that all those of 'repute" agree that his 
theory is "wrong". And they command authority based upon their 
reputations, number of papers they have published, their titles, how 
many awards they've been given and a general "consensus" of those in 
science (especially officers of science trade organizations. rather than 
actual scientists). In other words there is no actual science that shows 
his data to be wrong.

If you want to do science, Odd, rather than religion and politics, point 
us to a paper that shows the Crawford data is wrong. That is the key in 
the world of science.


>> Allow me to explain, John, how this result proves that the BB is the
>> biggest mistake of all physics.  Physics has assumed that the measured
>> Red shift is is due to Doppler and velocity. that infers that the
>> farther ojects are away the more their light gets shifted. And indeed
>> farther objects appear to be shifted more. This has given rise to the
>> theory of an expanding universe. And given an expansion, one can
>> logically run it backwards in time and ask when did it begin and how?
>> And this lead to the assumption of a so-called "big bang". All logical
>> and all consistent and all wrong.
> 
> Notice how differently you use “logical” compared to the way John uses that
> word. John would say that the Big Bang is not logical at all, because his
> mind tells him it can’t happen and therefore it must be against all logic.

You are correct in this. The "big bang" theory is indeed "logical" which 
is why it is widely believed to be true. It just happens to be wrong. 
Fitting most of the data isn't enough for science. A theory must fit all 
the data or it's wrong.

>> And this paper shows WHY! Because as you measure TIME INTERVALS from
>> distance places, namely gamma ray bursts, you find that such time
>> intervals are transmitted without any time dilation. In other words the
>> frequency of LIGHT is shifted down in wavelength but actual time
>> intervals are NOT changed with distance! This is a major key finding.
>>
>> What this says (as can be shown) is that the red shift is due to the
>> geometry of the ANGLE distance objects make with our space and not
>> because of the DISTANCE of the objects from us. The ANGLE changes
>> because of the geometry of distance! It's as simple as that.
>>
>> John, This paper is an excellent and very important find!
>>
>>>> I don’t think you know
>>
>> And as usual Odd is nothing but a senile babbling fool determined to
>> stay as stupid as he can for as long as he can.
>>
>> Hey Odd, you ignorant moron, Just READ that paper and then come back and
>> discuss science instead of puerile name calling.

Well I see this was pissing in the wind. The best "science" you can come 
up with to refute John is Crawford has "convinced no one of repute".

Great science, Odd. I think I'll go with John's imagination instead.

Thread

No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 03:56 -0800
  Re: No universal expansion Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-22 14:34 +0100
    Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 06:58 -0800
      Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 15:51 +0000
        Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 08:02 -0800
          Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 18:56 +0000
        Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 11:59 -0500
        Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-23 05:04 -0800
          Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 18:47 +0000
            Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 15:55 -0500
              Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 12:56 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 05:58 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 21:38 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 22:52 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:42 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:23 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 16:51 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 22:28 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 16:23 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:40 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 22:58 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:40 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:17 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 20:18 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 16:19 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 23:25 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 19:42 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 01:48 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 16:33 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 23:26 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 19:50 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 01:48 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 08:22 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 16:58 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 09:05 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 18:32 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 10:56 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 01:44 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 00:02 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 12:08 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 07:40 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 04:03 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 11:53 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 14:12 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-28 14:44 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 04:06 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 11:51 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 03:16 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 13:44 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-29 22:30 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:27 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 03:16 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:20 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 04:03 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 14:10 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:39 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-26 10:41 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 16:50 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:40 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:10 -0500
      Re: No universal expansion Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-24 23:46 +0100
        Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-24 19:19 -0800
          Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 05:44 -0500
            Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-25 10:18 -0800
  Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-22 11:39 -0800
  Re: No universal expansion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 10:26 -0800

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