Re: Shorthand ~> pointers

From	"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c, comp.lang.c++
Subject	Re: Shorthand ~> pointers
Date	2018-12-24 15:44 -0800
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On 12/24/2018 3:35 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 12/24/2018 5:16 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 12/24/2018 7:43 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On 12/24/2018 10:36 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>>> Jesus believed the Old Testament was the commandment of God (Matthew 
>>>> 15:3) ergo Jesus believed that homosexuals should be put to death 
>>>> (Leviticus 20:13).
>>>
>>> Jesus didn't just believe that.  He wrote it.  He gave it to Moses, and
>>> other writings in the Bible to the prophets and apostles.
>>
>> Why are you implying that Jesus basically wrote something like:
>> All gay things should be utterly destroyed in the flesh
> 
> In the Law of Moses, for those in the Jewish community, the Law of Moses
> demanded that many types of sins resulted in the death/stoning of the in-
> dividual committing those sins.
> 
> God was seeking to keep His nation pure, free from sin's influence.  He
> knew the spirit nature of the prompting of sin, and that where one person
> acquiesces to sin, that evil spirit then has a voice in the community and
> will begin to influence others, resulting in more and more sin.  We see
> that very effect in our societies today everywhere across the Earth where
> Christ has been pushed out, and "tolerance" has been brought in.  Compare
> the "normal, accepted activities" of the world to Biblical teaching, and
> you see the extent to which sin has influenced when God's guidance is not
> allowed.
> 
> Evil spirits tempt us to sin.  When we agree to listen to their voice,
> they gain a legal foothold into our physical flesh, into our lives.  They
> want this interface / interaction with the tangible world, which they do
> not possess in their spirit form.  The Bible says that the angels who fell
> with Satan are locked in eternal chains awaiting judgment, meaning their
> physical bodies are locked up somewhere inaccessible to this world, so
> they leave their bodies and interact only with this world spiritually.
> But when they get a human host to acquiesce to their prompting, their guid-
> ance against God into sin, they gain a legal license to enter in to that
> body and are then having a direct physical influence into this world.
> 
> It's why our media, our movies, our music, the "powers that be" in various
> high level places, are all pushing "tolerance" and pushing Christianity
> (and in general God's morality taught to people) out.  It's because they
> want to make more and more room for their brethren to come out and corrupt
> God's creation of man to such an extent that where they will be judged and
> cast into Hell, so will so many of us that God will not want to see His
> creation destroyed, so He will change His laws, saving His creation, and
> in so doing saving those evil spirits as well.
> 
> That's my personal take on the situation, as it fits with what we see,
> what the Bible teaches, the nature of the influence evil spirits have
> had in people over time, how it's changed people's behavior, dominated
> their flesh, tempted them into immorality, etc.
> 
> So, before Christ came and gave us His Holy Spirit, before He physically
> took away our sin at the cross, before man could be regenerated into the
> new spirit life, God was ONLY dealing with the people here on Earth in
> the flesh.  He gave them a seeming harsh/strict set of laws to obey.  In
> now understanding the spirit nature of the enemy we face and the battles
> we face against those evil spirits, we see that God was focusing His
> people's attentions on rigid requirements, to give them discipline, to
> give them focus, to give them a way to combat the enemy's influence into
> their societies, communities, families, nation, etc.
> 
> Israel often disobeyed, however, and we see the corruption of the Israel
> people today because of it.  Compromised to such an extent due to the
> turning away of God's guidance through the Law of Moses, such that most
> Jews only celebrate major holidays, do not refrain from many of those
> things taught in the Law, do not stone people any longer, etc.
> 
> This has happened during this age of Grace, when God reached out to the
> Gentiles (non-Jews) world-wide, offering them salvation, because of how
> His people (Israel) had rejected Him, even crucifying Him on the cross.
> A type of blinders has been put on their eyes and minds so they cannot
> see Jesus as the Messiah, and during this time God reaches out to the
> rest of us (the non-Jews) and offers salvation.
> 
> God searches hearts and minds and intents and purposes to see who it is
> that is seeking the truth, or would seek the truth if given the oppor-
> tunity.  He reaches into their lives supernaturally and using the same
> type of spiritual influence the evil spirits use, except He uses it in
> no evil way, but in a positive way, God guides the person to come to His
> Son, ask forgiveness, and be saved.  The person really does come to the
> cross and ask forgiveness, but they would never have done so without
> that drawing of God, because in their flesh they are literally dead
> spiritually.  But by God's spiritual prompting, they move, and in this
> world, by their mouth, in their thoughts, by their flesh, they ask Him
> to forgive their sin, which enables the transaction to take place.
> 
> The power of life and death is in our tongue.
> 
> God has promised a time when His attentions will again be restored to
> the Jews.  At that time, which many Christians believe will come after
> the rapture, the Jews who are transformed in this way will then see
> Jesus as their Messiah, will then know the Law of God in their heart
> and in their mind.  They won't need someone to teach it to them, be-
> cause they will simply know it on the inside by the spirit guidance
> God will give them, which gives them new knowledge the flesh cannot
> know.
> 
> Those former Jews will become the "new Christians" during that time,
> leading people to Christ, likely doing miracles as the Apostles did
> during their time here on Earth.  It will be an unprecedented time a
> pouring out of God's spirit upon all flesh, such that men and women
> will move to serve Him in ways not seen since the century when Christ
> was on the Earth.
> 
> It is the time in the very end when the final seven years will come
> upon the people of the Earth, when God pours out His wrath upon all
> flesh that has become corrupt.  It is the preparation for the coming
> Millennial Age where Christ will rule upon the Earth for 1,000 years,
> the day of rest representative of God creating the Earth in 6 days,
> and on the 7th day He rested, with God having dealt with man for the
> Biblical timeline of 6,000 years, with a 1,000 year "day of rest,"
> as it were, for to God 1,000 years is as a day, and a day is as 1,000
> years.
> 
>> How about after the death of the flesh... Should gay people suffer 
>> forever?
> 
> Those involved in sin will suffer torment forever in the unending
> flames of Hell.  That includes you too, Chris, with your flippant,
> tolerant, wibbly-wobbly attitude/position, and your unrepentant, un-
> coming-to-Jesus-asking-forgiveness state.

Now, that statement in particular, is really nice to hear today! Thanks 
Rick. :^)


> It is SIN that will be cast down, all sin.  Not just "gay people,"
> but rather sinners.

So, there are really nice people, that just happen to be gay, burning in 
hell right now?

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Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-19 21:31 -0500
  Re: Shorthand ~> pointers bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-12-20 03:29 -0500
    Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 06:40 -0500
  Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Andrew Smallshaw <andrews@sdf.org> - 2018-12-20 10:23 +0000
    Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-20 11:15 +0000
      Re: Shorthand ~> pointers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-20 13:46 +0100
        Re: Shorthand ~> pointers mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2018-12-20 05:04 -0800
          Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 05:11 -0800
    Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 03:25 -0800
    Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-12-20 11:51 +0000
      Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 06:54 -0500
        Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-12-20 12:17 +0000
          Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 07:21 -0500
            Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-12-20 14:18 +0000
              Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 09:26 -0500
          Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 04:29 -0800
            Re: Shorthand ~> pointers mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2018-12-20 04:46 -0800
            Re: Shorthand ~> pointers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-20 15:00 +0100
      Re: Shorthand ~> pointers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-12-20 14:26 +0000
        Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-12-20 15:03 +0000
        Re: Shorthand ~> pointers James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-12-20 07:05 -0800
  Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Fred.Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> - 2018-12-20 11:16 +0100
    Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 07:16 -0500
  Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-20 12:39 +0000
    Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 08:20 -0500
      Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-20 14:02 +0000
        Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 09:15 -0500
          Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-20 17:48 +0000
    Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2018-12-21 11:36 +0000
      Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-21 08:05 -0500
        Re: Shorthand ~> pointers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-12-21 14:56 +0000
          Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-21 10:03 -0500
            Re: Shorthand ~> pointers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-12-21 15:35 +0000
              Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-21 10:41 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2018-12-21 15:41 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-12-21 17:04 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-21 12:23 -0500
        Re: Shorthand ~> pointers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-12-21 14:57 +0000
          Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-21 10:20 -0500
            Re: Shorthand ~> pointers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-12-21 15:37 +0000
              Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-21 10:42 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2018-12-21 15:42 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-21 17:39 +0100
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-12-21 17:05 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-21 12:24 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-21 23:49 -0800
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 13:05 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-22 16:38 -0800
        Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2018-12-22 18:39 +0000
          Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 13:42 -0500
            Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-22 16:23 -0800
              Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 21:52 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-22 20:26 -0800
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 23:54 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-12-23 12:43 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-23 08:34 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-12-23 08:09 -0800
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-23 11:56 -0500
            Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2018-12-23 08:24 +0000
              Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-23 08:24 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-23 15:28 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-23 12:15 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2018-12-23 17:24 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-23 12:35 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2018-12-23 17:39 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-23 14:07 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2018-12-23 19:17 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-23 14:52 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2018-12-23 21:14 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2018-12-23 21:36 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-23 19:24 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2018-12-24 10:14 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 07:53 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-12-24 14:16 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 10:17 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2018-12-24 15:36 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 10:43 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2018-12-24 15:46 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-24 14:16 -0800
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-12-24 22:36 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 18:35 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-24 15:44 -0800
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 18:55 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-25 22:20 -0800
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 05:32 -0500
                You are so full of shit (Was: Shorthand ~> pointers) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-12-26 14:10 +0000
                Re: You are so full of .. (Was: Shorthand ~> pointers) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 09:47 -0500
                Re: You are so full of shit (Was: Shorthand ~> pointers) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-12-26 15:21 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-12-24 08:26 +1300
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-23 15:02 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-12-28 08:21 -0800
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers nobody@example.org (Scott) - 2018-12-25 03:56 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 23:55 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-12-25 10:14 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 10:36 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2018-12-24 14:22 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-24 15:47 -0800
            Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2018-12-23 16:31 +0800
              Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-23 08:28 -0500
  Re: Shorthand ~> pointers nobody@example.org (Scott) - 2018-12-21 01:14 +0000
    Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2018-12-21 03:23 +0100
      Re: Shorthand ~> pointers nobody@example.org (Scott) - 2018-12-21 09:45 +0000
        Re: Shorthand ~> pointers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-21 12:05 +0100
        Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-21 21:24 +0000
          Re: Shorthand ~> pointers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-12-21 21:47 +0000
          Re: Shorthand ~> pointers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-22 16:09 +0100
            Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-12-22 11:49 -0500
              Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-22 18:41 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 21:48 +0300
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 14:00 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2018-12-22 19:08 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 16:42 -0800
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-12-22 17:10 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 17:42 -0500
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2018-12-23 10:19 +0000
                Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-23 08:40 -0500
              Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-12-25 21:00 +0000
    Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-21 07:57 -0500
  Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 14:38 +0100
    Re: Shorthand ~> pointers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 10:26 -0500
      Re: Shorthand ~> pointers Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 13:35 +0100

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