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Re: t' = t

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: t' = t
Date	2018-12-03 17:43 +0000
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Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 03/12/2018 16:01, Gary Harnagel wrote:
>> On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 7:29:31 AM UTC-7, Keith Stein wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 03/12/2018 13:59, Gary Harnagel wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 12:13:06 AM UTC-7, Keith Stein wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The correct way to synchronize the clocks is to maintain symmetry
>>>>> between the two clocks. So in the frame of reference in which the
>>>>> medium is stationary we send a signal from the mid point between
>>>>> the clocks. Clocks synchronized in this way will be synchronized
>>>>> in ALL frames of reference, AND they will indicate that the speed
>>>>> of light varies with the speed of the observer, of course.
>>>> 
>>>> If the "medium is stationary" it is valid to use Einstein synchronization
>>>> or the midpoint method you describe.
>>>> 
>>>>> So it is indeed a matter of convention, but no CONVENTION is
>>>>> going to make twins age at different rates eh!
>>>>> 
>>>>> keith stein
>>>> 
>>>> Straw-man assertion again. Keith.  It's not "convention" that causes
>>>> time dilation.  You pretend that TD doesn't exist when EXPERIMENT clearly
>>>> shows that it does, and those experiments do NOT depend upon clock
>>>> synchronization.
>>> 
>>> When someone demonstrates the predicted -24.6 us/day on the
>>> International Space Station, then i will believe it Gary.
>> 
>> No, you won't.  You'll gin up some excuse to disbelieve the experiment.
>> There is sufficient evidence right now to show what the result of that
>> experiment will be.  The GPS experience demonstrates conclusively that
>> GR is an excellent model and will correctly predict what TD is on the
>> space station.  Only kook, crackpots and liars deny that.
>> 
>>>> The problem of clock sync is only necessary for OWLS measurement, not for
>>>> two-way.  Asserting that OWLS measurement is the only valid way to measure
>>>> light speed displays either ignorance or dishonesty.
>>> 
>>> The problem with the TWLS is that who is to say that the outward
>>> journey was run at the same speed as the return journey, because
>>> this will in fact depend on who is looking at the journey eh!
>> 
>> EXPERIMENT is to say.  If light obeys Newtonian physics, then light from a
>> target moving at velocity v wrt the observer will vary:
>> 
>> |-------------|--|
>> O-------------L--x
>> 
>> O sends out a pulse which reaches the target when it is at L.  The pulse
>> takes L/c seconds.  The target has a transponder which immediately sends
>> a pulse back to O.  The return pulse takes L/(c - k*v) seconds, where k = 1
>> for Newtonian physics and k = 0 for relativity physics.  The roundtrip
>> time is
>> 
>> T = L/c + L/(c - k*v) = (L/c)*[1 + 1/(1 - k*v/c)]
>> 
>> For k*v/c << 1, T ~ (L/c)*(2 + k*v/c), so the difference between k = 0
>> and k = 1 is:
>> 
>> Delta_T = L*v/c^2
>> 
>> Let's set up an experiment such that Delta_T should be at least 10 nano-
>> seconds.  That means that L*v >= 9x10^16 x 10^-8 ~ 10^9 meter^2/seconds.
>> 
>> This would be difficult to measure in a lab environment, but it HAS been
>> done with NASA's spacecraft.  They use this method (with k = 0) to determine
>> their positions.  With v = 50 km/sec at L = 5x10^8 km, Delta_T amounts to
>> about 1/4 second.  If k = 1 instead of the assumed k = 0, the craft would
>> be 75000 km off from where they thought it was.
>> 
>> 
>> BTW, NASA determines the speed by sending out a second pulse later to
>> determine a second position and calculates dx/dt.
>> 
>>> So yes Gary the OWLS is the only valid way to measure light speed.
>> 
>> Dead wrong, deceptive one.
>> 
>>>> It's just that TWLS measurement requires higher precision, but today's
>>> technology is up to the challenge.
>>> 
>>> TWLS is, of course, easier to measure accurately than OWLS Gary,
>>> and TWLS, unlike OWLS, IS the same in all frames of reference,
>>> even according to Classical Physics eh!
>>> 
>>> keith stein
>> 
>> Sophistry does not become you.  This is false even for your refuted claim
>> that light travels a c wrt the medium, just as it is false for the case
>> of relativity for a moving target.  Do you avoid math because you are
>> mathematically-incompetent?
>> 
> 
> On 03/12/2018 15:32, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> .
>>> 
>>> TWLS is, of course, easier to measure accurately than OWLS Gary,
>>> and TWLS, unlike OWLS, IS the same in all frames of reference,
>>> even according to Classical Physics eh!
>> 
>> Flat wrong.
>> Light travels from A to B, separated by L, at c-v. Light travels from 
> B to
>> A at c+v. What’s the average speed for the light on that trip? It’s 
> not c.
> 
> 
> If v is the velocity of the observer

The velocity of the observer is zero. His velocity is ALWAYS zero in the
frame in which he is making the measurement. 

You are attempting to determine what an observer should measure in his
frame by looking at the quantities from a DIFFERENT frame other than the
observer’s. That’s a big no-no. 

The question is simple: in the observer’s rest frame, what will the TWLS be
measured to be if, in the observer’s rest frame, the outbound OWLS is c-v
and the inbound OWLS is c+v? 

There is absolutely no reason to try to answer that question from any other
frame than the observer’s rest frame, and in fact when you frame-jump to
try to do that, you are implicitly making bad assumptions as noted before. 

>  then:
> Path length on the outward journey = L + v*dt and   OWLS = c + v
> Path length on the return journey  = L - v*dt and   OWLS = c - v
> TWLS =(L + v*dt + L - v*dt)/2*dt = L/dt = c
> 
> So TWLS IS the same for all observers, AISB eh!
> 
> keith stein
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 15:27 +0000
  Wacko Keith Stein at work "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 07:37 -0800
    Re t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 16:09 +0000
      Imbecile Keith Stein perseveres "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 08:33 -0800
        Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 17:35 +0000
      Re: Re t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-02 14:29 -0800
  Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-29 11:56 -0800
    Re: t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-30 09:32 -0800
      Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-30 18:43 +0100
        Re: t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-01 06:45 -0800
          Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 15:10 +0000
          Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-02 15:41 +0100
            Re: t' = t Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-02 10:26 -0600
              Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-03 04:25 +0100
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 07:13 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 05:59 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 14:29 +0000
                Re: t' = t moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-03 14:42 +0000
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 15:42 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 08:29 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 16:50 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 12:58 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 03:05 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 19:39 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 04:35 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 20:51 -0800
                Cretin Keith Stein perseveres in inserting foot in mouth "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-03 22:03 -0800
                Re: t' = t moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-03 16:32 +0000
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 17:12 +0000
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 15:32 +0000
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 15:45 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 08:01 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 16:23 +0000
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 17:43 +0000
                Re: t' = t Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-03 13:28 -0600
                Re: t' = t Mole Santiago <msb@awwnuvs.an> - 2018-12-03 16:43 +0000
      Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 19:56 +0000
      Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 22:46 +0000
        Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 23:03 +0000
          Re: t' = t JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 15:20 -0800
            Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 23:40 +0000
              Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 10:15 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-01 04:53 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 16:51 +0000
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 18:28 +0000
                Re: t' = t Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-12-01 10:34 -0800
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-01 11:20 -0800
                Re: t' = t Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-12-01 04:53 -0800
                Re: t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-01 07:21 -0800
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 15:43 +0000
                Re: t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-01 21:35 -0800
                Re: t' = t moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-02 17:31 +0000
                Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-02 16:24 +0100
                Re: t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-02 08:36 -0800
                Re: t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-02 12:45 -0800
                Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-02 21:52 +0100
                Re: t' = t moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-02 22:17 +0000
                Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-03 01:39 +0100
                Re: t' = t moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-03 01:12 +0000
                Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-03 03:53 +0100
                Re: t' = t "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-04 11:07 -0800
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 15:05 +0000
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 17:46 +0000
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 18:28 +0000
                Re: t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-01 07:45 -0800
                Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-01 18:30 +0100
                Re: t' = t Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-01 16:06 -0600
                Re: t' = t Mole Santiago <msb@awwnuvs.an> - 2018-12-01 22:34 +0000
                Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-02 12:13 +0100
                Re: t' = t Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-03 13:26 -0600
                Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-03 21:57 +0100
                Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-03 22:41 +0100
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 17:49 +0000
                Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-02 09:46 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-02 09:29 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-02 13:46 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-02 12:59 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-03 13:18 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-03 11:27 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Mole Santiago <msb@awwnuvs.an> - 2018-12-04 15:24 +0000
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-04 21:33 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-04 19:59 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-04 20:01 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-03 14:20 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-04 12:27 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-04 23:44 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-05 17:51 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-05 22:25 -0800
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                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (reboot) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-09 21:06 +0100
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (reboot) yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-09 13:23 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-06 08:24 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-07 12:16 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (reboot) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-08 21:56 +0000
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                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (reboot) Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-08 15:14 -0800
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                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (reboot) yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-08 21:12 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (reboot) Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-09 05:37 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (reboot) yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-09 12:29 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-02 17:34 +0000
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-02 12:33 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-02 21:56 +0100
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Mole Santiago <msb@awwnuvs.an> - 2018-12-03 17:04 +0000
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-02 14:06 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-02 16:29 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-02 22:51 +0000
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-02 22:25 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Mole Santiago <msb@awwnuvs.an> - 2018-12-03 22:01 +0000
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-04 12:28 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-02 15:19 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-03 11:30 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-03 11:14 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-04 21:09 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-03 07:37 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 17:07 +0000
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-03 11:36 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-03 12:41 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-04 12:34 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-05 07:25 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-07 00:46 +0100
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 02:52 +0000
  Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-11-30 10:09 +1100
    Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 04:14 +0000
      Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-01 10:20 +1100
        Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 05:31 +0000
          Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-02 08:03 +1100
            Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 22:10 +0000
              Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-01 14:33 -0800
              Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-02 09:50 +1100
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 00:55 +0000
                Re: t' = t yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-02 18:08 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 04:38 +0000
                Re: t' = t yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-02 22:38 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 07:58 +0000
                Re: t' = t yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-03 08:37 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 18:22 +0000
                Re: t' = t yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-03 12:37 -0800
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 02:52 +0000
                haRe: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 04:03 +0000
                Re: haRe: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-02 21:00 -0800
                Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-03 16:23 +1100
                Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-04 22:58 +1100
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-04 04:23 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 13:56 +0000
                Keith Stein, piece of shit "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-04 07:02 -0800
                Re: Dono Don't Know Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 16:25 +0000
                Keith Stein, the village idiot "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-04 08:35 -0800
                Re: Keith Stein, the village idiot Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 18:14 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-04 07:14 -0800
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 16:50 +0000
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 18:27 +0000
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 18:37 +0000
                Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-05 10:58 +1100
  Re: t' = t JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 15:18 -0800
    Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 04:12 +0000
      Re: t' = t JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 20:39 -0800
        Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 06:43 +0000
      Keith Stein, an ignorant piece of shit "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 23:06 -0800
        Re: Keith Stein, an ignorant piece of shit Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 07:30 +0000
          Re: Keith Stein, an ignorant piece of shit "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 23:36 -0800
            Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 10:02 +0000
              Re: c' = c + v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-30 04:47 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 13:30 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-30 05:40 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 14:05 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 14:15 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 14:37 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 15:24 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 16:17 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 16:27 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 17:57 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-11-30 10:43 -0800
                Cretin Keith Stein on the internet "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-30 10:59 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 19:56 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-30 10:33 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-30 10:21 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 23:10 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-30 06:48 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 16:01 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 16:18 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 18:18 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 19:56 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-01 07:38 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 13:34 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-30 11:07 -0800
    Re: t' = t alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-04 10:45 -0800
      Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-06 17:33 +0000
  Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-06 17:06 +0000
  Re: t' = t carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-12-07 13:41 -0800
    Re: t' = t alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-07 14:04 -0800
  Re: t' = t carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-12-09 10:51 -0800
    Re: t' = t JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 12:33 -0800

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