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Re: t' = t

From Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: t' = t
Date 2018-12-05 10:58 +1100
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On 5/12/2018 12:56 am, Keith Stein wrote:
> On 04/12/2018 12:23, Gary Harnagel wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 4:58:07 AM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>
>>> On 3/12/2018 11:55 am, Keith Stein wrote:
>>>>
>>>> YOU need to try this experiment Sylvia:
>>>>
>>>>   >>
>>>>   >>                A                  B
>>>>   >>    light-----><--------L---------->         <--YOU v m/s
>>>>   >>               tA                  tB
>>>>   >>
>>>>   >> Speed of light in lab = Distance/Time = L/(tB-tA) = c m/s
>>>>   >>
>>>>   >> Now walk towards B from the right at v m/s
>>>>   >> Note that in your frame of reference the point B is moving,
>>>>   >> and therefoore the light travels an extra distance = v(tB-tA) m,
>>>>   >> which is the distance traveled by B as the light travels from A 
>>>> to B
>>>>   >>
>>>>   >> Speed of light relative to YOU = (L + v(tB-tA)) / (tB-tA)
>>>>                                     = c + v
>>>>
>>>> And if you don't like my experimental technique, then please tell
>>>> us the correct method by which we should determine the speed of the
>>>> light relative to YOU, as you walk towards the light.
>>>>
>>>> keith stein
>>>
>>> You really need some more precision in the description.
>>>
>>> Let's take it that A and B are clocks that record time correctly in
>>> their own frame, that they are synchronized in that frame, and are
>>> spaced a distance L apart in their own frame. The tA is what clock A
>>> shows are the light passes it, and tB is what clock B shows when the
>>> light reaches it.
> 
> Thank you Sylvia, that is precisely what i did mean eh!
> 
>>> Then the speed of light in that frame is, as you say L/tB - tA).
>>>
>>> Now, if you start moving from the right at speed v, then you have a
>>> problem. The clocks are moving relative to you, so you cannot assume
>>> that they are necessarily recording time correctly in your frame, as
>>> they did in their own frame. Further you cannot assume that they are
>>> synchronized in your frame as they were in their own frame, and nor can
>>> you assume that they are a distance L apart in your frame though they
>>> were in their own frame. All of these things might, in principle, be
>>> true, but you cannot just assume them and expect that the answer you get
>>> is necessarily correct.
> 
> Actually Sylvia I don't have a problem. You have a problem eh!
> To understand that you need to appreciate that I am a Classical
> Physicist, maybe the very last one eh! Whatever, we classical
> physicists simple do not have the sort of problems you moderns
> have. We old timers know that when two clocks are synchronized
> then at ever instant of time, they actually indicate the same time.
> e.g. at 12.00.00 GMT both clocks indicate 12 noon precisely eh!).
> So clocks which are accurately synchronized in one frame of reference,
> are in fact synchronized for all observers everywhere and whatever
> the velocity of the observer. Similarly a rod of length L m IS
> L m long, irrespective of how fast you walk towards the rod eh!

Physics is not a religion, where the laws of physics are an act of 
faith. The validity of a theory entirely depends on whether it makes 
predictions that fit experimental results.

Pre-relativistic physics worked fine when speeds much much less than 
that of light were considered, and special relativity is 
indistinguishable from pre-relativity at those speeds. It's only when 
high speeds are introduced that pre-relativitistic physics starts to 
show its limitations.

> 
>>> So your conclusion that the speed of the light relative to you is c + v
>>> is based on assumptions whose correctness has not been demonstrated.
> 
> Well it is true that my conclusion was indeed based on a Classical
> Physics assumptions, and i would maintain that *incorrectness* of my
> assumptions has never been demonstrated.

Is that the way science works? An assumption is OK until it's 
demonstrated to be incorrect?

> 
>>> Whether the assumptions are supportable will depend on the results of an
>>> actual experiment.
> 
> So what experiments have you got which demonstrate that synchronized
> clocks run slower and go out of sync., and rods shrink, when YOU
> walk towards them at v m/s Sylvia ?

Some experiments are easier to do than others. I don't know whether lack 
of synchronization been demonstrated directly, but it would be 
unreasonable to argue that a theory isn't supported merely because some 
particular prediction of a theory has not yet been directly demonstrated 
because of the difficult of doing so. One could always find some 
convoluted prediction that was impractical to demonstrate directly.

The predictions of the theory (or rather, the generalisation of it, 
general relativity) regarding clocks have been demonstrated directly 
using atomic clocks in aircraft.

The relativity of lengths is demonstrated by the fact that muons moving 
at relativistic speeds can reach the Earth in significant numbers even 
though, in their frame, the distance from the upper atmosphere, where 
they are created, to the surface, would otherwise be much too far.

And, of course, there's the observed constancy of the speed of light.

Lack of clock synchronization arises from the other consequences of 
relativity.

By contrast, your 'classical' theory is falsified by all of the above.

However much you like it, and however much it seems obvious to you, your 
theory just doesn't work. It's wrong.

Sylvia.

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t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 15:27 +0000
  Wacko Keith Stein at work "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 07:37 -0800
    Re t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 16:09 +0000
      Imbecile Keith Stein perseveres "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 08:33 -0800
        Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 17:35 +0000
      Re: Re t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-02 14:29 -0800
  Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-29 11:56 -0800
    Re: t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-30 09:32 -0800
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        Re: t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-01 06:45 -0800
          Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 15:10 +0000
          Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-02 15:41 +0100
            Re: t' = t Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-02 10:26 -0600
              Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-03 04:25 +0100
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 07:13 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 05:59 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 14:29 +0000
                Re: t' = t moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-03 14:42 +0000
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 15:42 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 08:29 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 16:50 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 12:58 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 03:05 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 19:39 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 04:35 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 20:51 -0800
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                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 17:12 +0000
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                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 15:45 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 08:01 -0800
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                Re: t' = t Mole Santiago <msb@awwnuvs.an> - 2018-12-03 16:43 +0000
      Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 19:56 +0000
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        Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 23:03 +0000
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            Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 23:40 +0000
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                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 16:51 +0000
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 18:28 +0000
                Re: t' = t Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-12-01 10:34 -0800
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-01 11:20 -0800
                Re: t' = t Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-12-01 04:53 -0800
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                Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-03 03:53 +0100
                Re: t' = t "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-04 11:07 -0800
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 15:05 +0000
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 17:46 +0000
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 18:28 +0000
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                Re: t' = t Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-01 16:06 -0600
                Re: t' = t Mole Santiago <msb@awwnuvs.an> - 2018-12-01 22:34 +0000
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                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Mole Santiago <msb@awwnuvs.an> - 2018-12-03 17:04 +0000
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-02 14:06 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-02 16:29 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-02 22:51 +0000
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-02 22:25 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Mole Santiago <msb@awwnuvs.an> - 2018-12-03 22:01 +0000
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-04 12:28 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-02 15:19 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-03 11:30 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-03 11:14 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-04 21:09 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-03 07:37 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 17:07 +0000
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-03 11:36 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-03 12:41 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-04 12:34 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-05 07:25 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-07 00:46 +0100
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 02:52 +0000
  Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-11-30 10:09 +1100
    Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 04:14 +0000
      Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-01 10:20 +1100
        Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 05:31 +0000
          Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-02 08:03 +1100
            Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 22:10 +0000
              Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-01 14:33 -0800
              Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-02 09:50 +1100
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 00:55 +0000
                Re: t' = t yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-02 18:08 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 04:38 +0000
                Re: t' = t yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-02 22:38 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 07:58 +0000
                Re: t' = t yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-03 08:37 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 18:22 +0000
                Re: t' = t yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-03 12:37 -0800
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 02:52 +0000
                haRe: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 04:03 +0000
                Re: haRe: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-02 21:00 -0800
                Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-03 16:23 +1100
                Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-04 22:58 +1100
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-04 04:23 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 13:56 +0000
                Keith Stein, piece of shit "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-04 07:02 -0800
                Re: Dono Don't Know Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 16:25 +0000
                Keith Stein, the village idiot "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-04 08:35 -0800
                Re: Keith Stein, the village idiot Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 18:14 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-04 07:14 -0800
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 16:50 +0000
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 18:27 +0000
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 18:37 +0000
                Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-05 10:58 +1100
  Re: t' = t JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 15:18 -0800
    Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 04:12 +0000
      Re: t' = t JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 20:39 -0800
        Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 06:43 +0000
      Keith Stein, an ignorant piece of shit "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 23:06 -0800
        Re: Keith Stein, an ignorant piece of shit Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 07:30 +0000
          Re: Keith Stein, an ignorant piece of shit "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 23:36 -0800
            Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 10:02 +0000
              Re: c' = c + v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-30 04:47 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 13:30 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-30 05:40 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 14:05 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 14:15 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 14:37 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 15:24 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 16:17 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 16:27 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 17:57 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-11-30 10:43 -0800
                Cretin Keith Stein on the internet "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-30 10:59 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 19:56 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-30 10:33 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-30 10:21 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 23:10 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-30 06:48 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 16:01 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 16:18 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 18:18 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 19:56 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-01 07:38 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 13:34 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-30 11:07 -0800
    Re: t' = t alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-04 10:45 -0800
      Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-06 17:33 +0000
  Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-06 17:06 +0000
  Re: t' = t carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-12-07 13:41 -0800
    Re: t' = t alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-07 14:04 -0800
  Re: t' = t carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-12-09 10:51 -0800
    Re: t' = t JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 12:33 -0800

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