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Re: c' = c + v

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: c' = c + v
Date 2018-11-30 14:15 +0000
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Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 30/11/2018 13:40, Gary Harnagel wrote:
>> 
>> That's NOT an "experiment" dishonest one.
> 
> You try it in your lab. Gary. THEN it *IS* an experiment eh!
> 
>>> 
>>> A                  B
>>> light-----><--------L---------->         <--YOU v m/s
>>> tA                  tB
>>> 
>>> Speed of light in lab = Distance/Time = L/(tB-tA) = c m/s
>>> 
>>> Now walk towards B from the right at v m/s
>>> Note that in your frame of reference the point B is moving,
>>> and therefore the light travels an extra distance = v(tB-tA) m,
>>> which is the distance traveled by B as the light travels from A to B
>>> 
>>> Speed of light relative to YOU = (L + v(tB-tA)) / (tB-tA) = c + v
>> 
>> Thought experiments depend upon the assumptions you make about them.
>> YOU made incorrect assumptions.  The light did NOT travel a distance
>> L,
>> it traveled a distance d = L + v*(tB - tA).
> 
> Excellent Gary that is correct.
> 
> Now Speed = Distance / Time
>           = L + v*(tB - tA) / (tB -tA)
>           = L/(tB-tA) + v
>           = c + v
> 
>> That's an argument based on
>> the assumption that the conclusion is true. 
> 
> No. I am assuming only the definition of 'Speed',

That is not true, Keith. You have brushed over your assumption by just
calling it “time” without specifying WHICH frame’s time. So here, you treat
the time in the lab and the time in your reference frame as the same. That
is, you are using universal, absolute time that Newton and the Galilean
assumption that t’=t. Then OF COURSE you will end up with the Galilean
summation of velocities. 

Using “time” ambiguously and generally, without needing to specify the
frame in which that time is measured, is only legitimate if it DOESN’T
MATTER what frame it’s measured in, and that turns out not to be a good
assumption, and therefore not a good generalization to make. 

> and that the clocks at A and B are NOT affected
> by walking towards them, and indeed you assumed
> the latter yourself, else you could not write:-
> 
>> it traveled a distance d = L + v*(tB - tA).
> 
> as you yourself have helpfully admitted eh!
> 
> keith stein
> 
> 
> 

Gary is right, Keith. You don’t want to talk about real experiments. What
you ONLY want to talk about is thought experiments and the outcomes of
those experiments as you would imagine the results would be if the universe
made sense to you. That is not an experiment. An experiment can well yield
a result that makes NO sense to you and defies your ability to explain it
within your assumption set. That’s PRECISELY the moment a good scientist
questions the assumption set. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 15:27 +0000
  Wacko Keith Stein at work "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 07:37 -0800
    Re t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 16:09 +0000
      Imbecile Keith Stein perseveres "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 08:33 -0800
        Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 17:35 +0000
      Re: Re t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-02 14:29 -0800
  Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-29 11:56 -0800
    Re: t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-30 09:32 -0800
      Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-30 18:43 +0100
        Re: t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-01 06:45 -0800
          Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 15:10 +0000
          Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-02 15:41 +0100
            Re: t' = t Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-02 10:26 -0600
              Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-03 04:25 +0100
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 07:13 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 05:59 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 14:29 +0000
                Re: t' = t moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-03 14:42 +0000
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 15:42 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 08:29 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 16:50 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 12:58 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 03:05 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 19:39 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 04:35 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 20:51 -0800
                Cretin Keith Stein perseveres in inserting foot in mouth "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-03 22:03 -0800
                Re: t' = t moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-03 16:32 +0000
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 17:12 +0000
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 15:32 +0000
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 15:45 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 08:01 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 16:23 +0000
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 17:43 +0000
                Re: t' = t Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-03 13:28 -0600
                Re: t' = t Mole Santiago <msb@awwnuvs.an> - 2018-12-03 16:43 +0000
      Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 19:56 +0000
      Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 22:46 +0000
        Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 23:03 +0000
          Re: t' = t JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 15:20 -0800
            Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 23:40 +0000
              Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 10:15 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-01 04:53 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 16:51 +0000
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 18:28 +0000
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                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-01 11:20 -0800
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                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 15:43 +0000
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                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 15:05 +0000
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 17:46 +0000
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                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-03 07:37 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 17:07 +0000
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-03 11:36 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-03 12:41 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-04 12:34 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-05 07:25 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-07 00:46 +0100
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 02:52 +0000
  Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-11-30 10:09 +1100
    Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 04:14 +0000
      Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-01 10:20 +1100
        Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 05:31 +0000
          Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-02 08:03 +1100
            Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 22:10 +0000
              Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-01 14:33 -0800
              Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-02 09:50 +1100
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 00:55 +0000
                Re: t' = t yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-02 18:08 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 04:38 +0000
                Re: t' = t yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-02 22:38 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 07:58 +0000
                Re: t' = t yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-03 08:37 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 18:22 +0000
                Re: t' = t yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-03 12:37 -0800
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 02:52 +0000
                haRe: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 04:03 +0000
                Re: haRe: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-02 21:00 -0800
                Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-03 16:23 +1100
                Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-04 22:58 +1100
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-04 04:23 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 13:56 +0000
                Keith Stein, piece of shit "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-04 07:02 -0800
                Re: Dono Don't Know Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 16:25 +0000
                Keith Stein, the village idiot "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-04 08:35 -0800
                Re: Keith Stein, the village idiot Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 18:14 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-04 07:14 -0800
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 16:50 +0000
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 18:27 +0000
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 18:37 +0000
                Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-05 10:58 +1100
  Re: t' = t JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 15:18 -0800
    Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 04:12 +0000
      Re: t' = t JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 20:39 -0800
        Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 06:43 +0000
      Keith Stein, an ignorant piece of shit "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 23:06 -0800
        Re: Keith Stein, an ignorant piece of shit Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 07:30 +0000
          Re: Keith Stein, an ignorant piece of shit "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 23:36 -0800
            Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 10:02 +0000
              Re: c' = c + v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-30 04:47 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 13:30 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-30 05:40 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 14:05 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 14:15 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 14:37 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 15:24 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 16:17 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 16:27 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 17:57 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-11-30 10:43 -0800
                Cretin Keith Stein on the internet "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-30 10:59 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 19:56 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-30 10:33 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-30 10:21 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 23:10 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-30 06:48 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 16:01 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 16:18 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 18:18 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 19:56 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-01 07:38 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 13:34 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-30 11:07 -0800
    Re: t' = t alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-04 10:45 -0800
      Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-06 17:33 +0000
  Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-06 17:06 +0000
  Re: t' = t carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-12-07 13:41 -0800
    Re: t' = t alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-07 14:04 -0800
  Re: t' = t carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-12-09 10:51 -0800
    Re: t' = t JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 12:33 -0800

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