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Re: APFS on HDD

From J Burns <burns@nospam.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: APFS on HDD
Date 2018-11-10 17:41 -0500
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On 11/10/18 4:08 PM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-11-10 14:11:30 +0000, J Burns said:
> 
>> On 11/10/18 12:52 AM, David Empson wrote:
>>> Elden <usenet@moondog.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Nov 9, 2018, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> During some of the beta testing of High Sierra, APFS was available for
>>>>> hard drives and Fusion drives, but that support was dropped from the
>>>>> official release due to some issues, so only SSDs were converted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple has managed to fix those issues, and as of Mojave, Apple has 
>>>>> made
>>>>> APFS the standard disk format for all drive types, including hard
>>>>> drives and Fusion drives.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't heard. Can you use an APFS drive for a time machine backup
>>>> target? I believe originally one could not.
>>>
>>> No, Time Machine drives are still HFS+.
>>>
>>> They might be ready to start using APFS on Time Machine backup drives in
>>> macOS 10.15, but probably only for a new or erased backup drive as it
>>> would be too difficult to convert the tangled web of hard links on an
>>> existing backup drive into a snapshot/clone-based model for APFS.
>>
>> I'm thinking of getting a 2018 mini and keeping my 2012 mini as a 
>> backup. I want to use CCC to keep to keep the files on the backup up 
>> to date. Should I reformat the 2012 as APFS? (The 2012 has a spinning 
>> disk, but I may install an SSD.)
> 
> If you're backing up individual files and folders, then the format od 
> the backup drive is irrelevant to any good piece of backup software that 
> can automatically copy the real file when it encounters an alias / 
> shortcut ... otherwise you could end up with a backup of the alias / 
> shortcut istself, but not the real file it points to. I haven't ever 
> looked into what Carbon Copy Cloner does with aliases / shortcuts since 
> I clone the whole drive.
> 
> If you're first cloning the entire drive and then doing regular sync 
> backups, then the backup drive will be the same as the source drive 
> anyway. The problem with this is that the 2012 Mac Mini may not be able 
> to boot the new 2018 Mac Mini's version of the OS, so it would be a data 
> backup, but not a usable computer (the 2012 Mac Mini would basically 
> just be an expensive external drive).
> 
> 
I'm confused about that. Years ago, I had PPC with a 603 running System 
8. Relatives had a G4 running OS X. I could put my system folder and 
other files on a Firewire disk, take it to their house, and boot their 
Mac as if it were my own.

Would that not work between Intel minis?

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Re: APFS on HDD rs99tl@gmail.com - 2018-11-09 17:32 -0800
  Re: APFS on HDD Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 14:42 +1300
    Re: APFS on HDD RSORLANDO <rs99tl@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 18:15 -0800
    Re: APFS on HDD Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2018-11-09 21:27 -0800
      Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-10 18:52 +1300
        Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-10 09:11 -0500
          Re: APFS on HDD Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-11 10:08 +1300
            Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-10 17:41 -0500
              Re: APFS on HDD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-10 19:18 -0500
              Re: APFS on HDD Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-11 18:03 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-11 13:21 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-12 03:09 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-12 02:10 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-12 12:32 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-13 08:14 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-12 20:29 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-13 18:15 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-13 09:20 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-12 02:30 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-12 12:45 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-12 18:31 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-13 00:04 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-13 13:46 +1300
          Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-11 15:55 +1300
            Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-10 23:38 -0500
            Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-11 07:18 +0000
              Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-11 12:39 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-12 09:10 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-11 19:26 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-12 16:20 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-12 01:46 -0500
            Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-14 02:05 +1300
        Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-11 07:13 +0000
          Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-12 02:10 -0500
        Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-12 02:02 -0500
          Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-12 21:57 +1300
            Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-12 18:26 -0500
              Re: APFS on HDD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-13 01:12 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-12 23:44 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-13 18:17 +0000
              Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-13 19:38 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-13 10:21 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-13 05:55 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-14 01:28 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-13 13:40 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-13 18:18 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-13 05:57 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-14 01:28 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-13 13:27 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-14 13:31 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-14 15:33 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-15 12:04 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-15 00:35 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-15 22:24 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-15 12:39 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2018-11-16 13:45 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-16 20:13 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-18 18:37 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-18 17:40 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-19 13:42 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-19 02:08 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-19 15:52 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-18 22:31 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-20 13:23 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-19 23:32 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-20 22:05 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2018-11-20 09:36 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2018-11-20 06:12 -0700
                Re: APFS on HDD "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2018-11-20 14:28 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-20 09:36 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-20 08:57 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2018-11-20 14:34 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-20 09:36 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-19 05:46 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-19 02:27 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2018-11-19 11:42 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-20 13:23 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-19 21:57 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-20 16:28 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-21 13:24 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2018-11-19 11:34 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-13 13:41 +0000
  Re: APFS on HDD Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2018-11-11 13:04 -0500

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