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| From | benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts |
| Date | 2018-11-05 14:33 -0500 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <prq5tb$1uk0$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
| References | <FvGBD.126514$8Q.102081@fx36.am4> <a32d3fb0-3a9c-4ff6-ce37-e5b301f3ab34@PointedEars.de> <prpouv$15bu$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
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On 11/5/2018 10:52 AM, Sergio wrote: > On 10/29/2018 2:34 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >> Keith Stein wrote: >>> >>> Summary: >>> 1. The speed of light in intergalactic-space is slowing down. >> >> It is not. There is a lot of evidence to the contrary. >> >>> 2. There was no "Big Bang" >> >> There was. The Cosmic Microwave Background radiation (accidentally >> discovered in 1964, predicted before that) is evidence of it; >> so are cosmological redshift, time dilation, and fading light. >> >>> 3. There was no "Inflation" >> >> There was. The “Planck” probe’s mission confirmed it once again: >> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_(spacecraft)#Results> >> >>> 4. The galaxies are not accelerating away from us. >> >> They are not, indeed. Instead, space is expanding with increasing speed, >> carrying *distant* galaxies (not those of the Local Group, which are >> gravitationally bound) away with it. >> >> This is evident not only in the redshift, but also in the *cosmological time >> dilation*, and the otherwise inexplicable *fading of light* observable in >> distant processes like supernovae. (Time dilation is the greater the >> greater the apparent relative velocity is; light intensity is inversely >> proportional to the square of the distance to the light source.) >> >> The Nobel Prize in Physics 2011 was awarded for this *unexpected* 1997/1998 >> discovery: >> >> <https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2011/summary/> >> >> In terms that you can understand (if you want to): >> >> <https://www.nobelprize.org/uploads/2018/06/popular-physicsprize2011-1.pdf> >> >>> 5. There is no "Dark Energy" >> >> There is; the energy content of our universe is approximately 70 % dark >> energy. Confirmed once again by the “Planck” probe’s mission’s results >> (see above). >> >>> Searching for an alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts, it >>> occurred to me that if the speed of light is slowing down, […] >> >> Good morning, sunshine. This idea is called “tired light” and has been >> *refuted* – in all its variants – *decades ago*. >> >> For example, the Andromeda Galaxy (M31) has a much greater mass than the >> Milky Way and so, if the “tired light” idea had any substance, would have to >> slow down the light emitted by its stars, and cause a redshift. >> >> The light is blueshifted instead, because that galaxy and the Milky Way are >> approaching each other, to merge in ca. 2 billion years. >> >> ,-<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tired_light> >> | >> | […] As cosmological measurements became more precise and the statistics in >> | cosmological data sets improved, tired light proposals ended up being >> | falsified,[1][2][3] to the extent that the theory was described in 2001 by >> | science writer Charles Seife as being "firmly on the fringe of physics 30 >> | years ago".[5] >> >> End of story. >> > > > Thanks for the links ! > You needed help to find Wikipedia and nobelprze.org? Mr. Vulcan is a true believer in the the Big Bang. He is wrong. Since he also is a true believer in "proof by assertion" that makes my argument iron-clad. Big Bang is bogus. "Tired light" is also wrong. The Red shift is due to something beyond the current science metaparadigms. (Which is why Mr. Vulcan is not permitted to believe) If you just keep repeating your beliefs and thumping your bible long enough and hard enough everything you believe becomes true.
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Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 16:25 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> - 2018-10-29 09:41 -0700
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Ulka Górski <dug@jewandass.cu> - 2018-10-29 17:25 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> - 2018-10-29 10:49 -0700
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Ulka Górski <dug@jewandass.cu> - 2018-10-29 18:51 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 18:14 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-29 11:20 -0700
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 18:48 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-03 11:15 -0700
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-29 20:34 +0100
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-29 13:00 -0700
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-10-29 14:43 -0700
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-30 18:40 +0100
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-10-30 11:30 -0700
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-30 20:18 +0100
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-10-30 13:29 -0700
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-10-30 22:57 -0700
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-03 04:20 +0100
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-03 11:26 +0100
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-03 11:55 -0700
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-03 21:34 +0100
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-03 14:11 -0700
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-04 17:34 +0100
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-04 09:10 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-04 18:25 +0100
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-04 10:30 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-05 02:34 +0100
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-04 18:03 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-05 03:17 +0100
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-05 09:29 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-03 10:52 -0700
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-05 03:06 +0100
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-05 09:08 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 22:00 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-11-05 09:52 -0600
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 14:33 -0500
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-05 12:15 -0800
Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-29 18:59 -0700
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 08:47 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-30 05:49 -0700
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-10-30 22:59 -0700
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-31 08:11 -0700
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-10-31 16:12 -0700
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-01 03:29 -0700
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-11-01 10:31 -0700
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 16:20 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-30 18:48 +0100
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 15:42 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-04 16:51 +0100
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-04 15:00 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-04 18:58 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 22:54 -0500
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-05 05:13 +0100
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-09 05:06 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-09 16:50 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-09 16:56 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@java4ow.nv> - 2018-11-11 16:01 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 19:12 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-11 12:55 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 00:24 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 08:19 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-05 07:10 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-05 07:18 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-05 07:20 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-05 07:25 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 08:00 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-09 06:29 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 23:19 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-09 15:37 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-10 07:57 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-10 13:08 +0100
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-10 04:30 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-10 04:45 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-10 04:59 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-10 09:46 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-10 10:08 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-10 13:30 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@java2osw.np> - 2018-11-10 19:58 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-10 22:17 +0100
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@java2osw.np> - 2018-11-10 21:48 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 06:36 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-06 08:20 +0100
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-06 11:28 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-06 22:30 +0100
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-07 00:30 +0000
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-07 06:21 -0800
Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-06 10:09 -0800
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