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Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts

From	benj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts
Date	2018-11-04 22:54 -0500
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On 11/4/2018 6:00 PM, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 8:42:50 AM UTC-7, Keith Stein wrote:
>>
>> Searching for an alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts, it
>> occurred to me that if the speed of light is slowing down, then this
>> will necessarily lead to increasing red-shift with increasing distance,
>> as observed by Hubble et. al., without any expansion at all.
>>
>> Merely by assuming      dc = -K c dt ..................(1)
>> I was led to             c = c(0) e^-Kt ...............(2)
>> and on to               Red-Shift = e^-Kt - 1 .........(3)
> 
> The problem with (3) is that lambda = c/f, so if c = c(0)*exp(-k*t)
> then lambda = c(0)*exp(-K*t)/f, which means that the wavelength is
> becoming SMALLER not larger if f is constant.
> 
> So you'd have to assume that dc = +K*c*dt to explain the red shift.
> But you have ANOTHER problem:  Why in the world (or cosmos) would you
> expect that f is constant if c is increasing?  Why assume that the
> rate of time is constant?
> 
>> Conclusions:
>>       1. The speed of light in intergalactic-space is slowing down.
> 
> That would give a BLUE shift, which is contrary to the experimental evidence.
> Anyway, that's not a conclusion, that's your assumption.
> 
>>       2. There was no "Big Bang"
> 
> At 10^10 years, the speed of light would have been about 1 meter/second,
> which means that the universe was 10^10 times smaller than we think it was.
> 
>>       3. There was no "Inflation"
>>       4. The galaxies are not accelerating away from us.
>>       5. There is no "Dark Energy"
> 
> Non sequitur
> 
Actually sequitur. You can still think, right?

If the red shift is NOT due to velocity then clearly;

2. There was no Big Bang (calculating drift backward from today)
3. There is no "inflation' because measurements are not due to velocity.
4. Galaxies are not accelerating away from us.
5. Dark matter is not needed to explain the motion of galaxies
6. Dark energy isn't needed to explain acceleration of the non-expansion.
7. The universe actually has a center which is not "everywhere" which is 
nonsense.


Problem here is #1.  The "tired light" theory has been shown wrong for a 
number of reasons.

Thread

Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 16:25 +0000
  Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> - 2018-10-29 09:41 -0700
    Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Ulka Górski <dug@jewandass.cu> - 2018-10-29 17:25 +0000
      Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> - 2018-10-29 10:49 -0700
        Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Ulka Górski <dug@jewandass.cu> - 2018-10-29 18:51 +0000
    Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 18:14 +0000
      Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-29 11:20 -0700
        Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 18:48 +0000
          Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-03 11:15 -0700
  Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-29 20:34 +0100
    Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-29 13:00 -0700
    Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-10-29 14:43 -0700
      Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-30 18:40 +0100
        Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-10-30 11:30 -0700
          Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-30 20:18 +0100
            Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-10-30 13:29 -0700
              Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-10-30 22:57 -0700
              Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-03 04:20 +0100
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-03 11:26 +0100
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-03 11:55 -0700
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-03 21:34 +0100
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-03 14:11 -0700
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-04 17:34 +0100
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-04 09:10 -0800
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-04 18:25 +0100
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-04 10:30 -0800
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-05 02:34 +0100
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-04 18:03 -0800
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-05 03:17 +0100
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-05 09:29 -0800
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-03 10:52 -0700
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-05 03:06 +0100
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-05 09:08 -0800
    Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 22:00 +0000
    Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-11-05 09:52 -0600
      Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 14:33 -0500
        Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-05 12:15 -0800
  Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-29 18:59 -0700
    Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 08:47 +0000
      Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-30 05:49 -0700
    Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-10-30 22:59 -0700
      Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-31 08:11 -0700
        Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-10-31 16:12 -0700
          Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-01 03:29 -0700
            Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-11-01 10:31 -0700
  Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 16:20 +0000
    Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-30 18:48 +0100
      Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 15:42 +0000
        Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-04 16:51 +0100
        Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-04 15:00 -0800
          Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-04 18:58 -0800
          Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 22:54 -0500
            Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-05 05:13 +0100
              Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-09 05:06 -0800
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-09 16:50 -0800
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-09 16:56 -0800
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@java4ow.nv> - 2018-11-11 16:01 +0000
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 19:12 +0000
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-11 12:55 -0800
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 00:24 +0000
            Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 08:19 +0000
              Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-05 07:10 -0800
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-05 07:18 -0800
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-05 07:20 -0800
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-05 07:25 -0800
          Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 08:00 +0000
            Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-09 06:29 -0800
              Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 23:19 +0000
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-09 15:37 -0800
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-10 07:57 +0000
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-10 13:08 +0100
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-10 04:30 -0800
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-10 04:45 -0800
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-10 04:59 -0800
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-10 09:46 -0800
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-10 10:08 -0800
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-10 13:30 -0800
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@java2osw.np> - 2018-11-10 19:58 +0000
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-10 22:17 +0100
                Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@java2osw.np> - 2018-11-10 21:48 +0000
  Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 06:36 +0000
    Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-06 08:20 +0100
      Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-06 11:28 +0000
        Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-06 22:30 +0100
          Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-07 00:30 +0000
            Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-07 06:21 -0800
      Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts alsor@interia.pl - 2018-11-06 10:09 -0800

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