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Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this!

From Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.os.linux, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this!
Date 2018-11-02 02:16 -0400
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <prgq40$5ej$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
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Jasen Betts wrote:
> On 2018-11-02, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>> Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>>> On 11/1/18 9:24 AM, Paul wrote:
>>>> The part that amazes me, is how quickly the
>>>> helium seems to incapacitate the phone. It's
>>>> like there's no seal at all around these things.
>>> When I had to design stuff to a certain military specification, some
>>> things had to be hermetically sealed. Helium leak detectors are used for
>>> this because helium can penetrate where air cannot.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium_mass_spectrometer

"Output Drifting of Vacuum Packaged MEMS Sensors
  Due to Room Temperature Helium Exposure"

https://file.scirp.org/pdf/JST_2013122009560886.pdf

    Kim et al. [9] found that helium and hydrogen could permeate
    CVD (Chemical Vapor Deposition) oxide sealed MEMS resonators
    at elevated temperatures resulting in a degradation of Q values.
    Annealing in a hydrogen or helium ambient at 170°C - 400°C
    was found to increase microcavity pressure, as did reliability
    testing at 100°C in air due to the 5 ppm helium present in the
    atmosphere. The gradual cavity pressure increase was not observed
    after operating in air 3000 hours at room temperature.

    By sealing the CVD oxide plugs with an aluminum capping layer
    this group could prevent hydrogen permeation into the CVD
    sealed microcavities at elevated temperatures.

    -------

    Vacuum packaged resonating MEMS gyroscopes and voltage controlled
    oscillators may also have a long-term drift problem when operated
    in air if chip-scale packaging methods are employed. This has been
    demonstrated by Kim with CVD sealed devices [9]. Enclosing these
    devices in ceramic or metal packages with Kovar lids, like those
    shown in Figure 2, can be used to prevent this long-term reliability
    issue.

I think the person who wrote that article, is advocating taking
all the "fun" out of using MEMS.

    Paul

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Here you go, Apple lovers!  Eat this! Nomen Nescio <noreply@mixnym.net> - 2018-10-31 20:24 -0500
  Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! NumbLock <789456123@0.com> - 2018-10-31 20:20 -0700
    Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-11-01 14:40 +0000
      Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-19 08:12 +0000
    Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2018-11-01 07:50 -0700
  Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-01 07:09 +0000
    Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-01 04:02 -0400
      Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-11-01 09:24 -0400
        Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-01 09:30 -0400
          Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2018-11-02 11:46 +1300
            Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-01 19:06 -0400
            Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 08:42 +0000
              Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-11-02 13:02 +0000
              Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2018-11-03 14:34 +1300
        Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-11-01 14:43 +0000
        Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2018-11-01 11:46 -0400
          Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-11-01 21:53 -0400
            Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-11-02 04:23 +0000
              Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-11-02 01:45 -0400
              Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-11-02 02:16 -0400
    Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Nomen Nescio <noreply@mixnym.net> - 2018-11-01 08:45 -0500
      Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-01 15:00 +0000
        Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-11-01 11:27 -0500
          Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Nomen Nescio <noreply@mixnym.net> - 2018-11-01 15:25 -0500
            Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2018-11-08 10:06 +0100
              Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2018-11-08 08:11 -0500
                Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-11-08 08:37 -0600
                Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-11-09 16:49 +0000
                Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2018-11-09 15:25 -0600
                Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-11-10 00:42 -0500
              Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2018-11-09 13:56 +1300
          Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-11-01 22:04 -0400
            Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-02 06:41 +0000
              Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-11-02 04:20 -0400
                Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2018-11-02 05:51 -0700
                Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-02 19:47 +0000
                Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-02 16:31 -0400
                Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-02 21:14 +0000
              Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-11-02 13:06 +0000
              Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-11-02 07:19 -0500
            Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-11-02 07:15 -0500
          Re: Here you go, Apple lovers! Eat this! Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2018-11-08 15:38 +0100

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