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| From | benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: Analysis of climate models |
| Date | 2018-11-01 10:08 -0400 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <prf1d3$5gc$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
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On 11/1/2018 2:33 AM, Libor Striz wrote: > benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> Wrote in message: >> On 11/1/2018 1:32 AM, Libor Striz wrote: >>> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> Wrote in message: >>>> On 10/31/2018 1:22 PM, Edward Prochak wrote: >>>>> In response to sergio's comments and my own goal of trying to >>>>> talk about physics in this group, I am starting this thread. >>>>> >>>>> So the goal is to investigate the limits of climate models. >>>>> >>>>> This link has some references maybe for a start >>>>> https://globalchange.mit.edu/publications/peer-reviewed >>>>> >>>>> I'll have to read them from teh library (I do not have >>>>> subscription or school access to any journals.) >>>>> >>>>> Or if you find peer reviewed articles that can be shared >>>>> please post a link in this thread. >>>>> >>>>> Please NO news sources, we are looking for scientific >>>>> publications. >>>>> >>>>> Lets see who is serious about this. >>>>> Ed >>>> >>>> Sure Ed, how about this one: >>>> >>>> http://meteo.lcd.lu/globalwarming/Schmidt/attribution_present_GH_effect_2010.pdf >>>> >>>> Lessee. This shows CO2 is a MINOR greenhouse gas with other gasses being >>>> of even less effect. Estimate is that CO2 is really only 15-20% of the >>>> greenhouse effect. Water vapor/clouds are major contributor. Please not >>>> that the Human generated CO2 is a minor portion of that already minor >>>> fraction something like 4% of the 15%. This makes the "anthropogenic" >>>> part of global warming something with some serious proof of the theory >>>> needed. >>>> >>> 20 % is still major component. >>> 1% would be minor. >> >> And you just made up this dividing line yourself, right? >> more then 50% is major, 15-20% is minor. Water Vapor is major. Co2 is >> minor. > > Wrong. Major components are component with significant > contribution, it does not limit itself to the components with > the biggest contribution. > >> >> >>> This 20% makes about 6 deg C >>> From the total cca 30 deg C of GH effect. >> >> And the 30 degrees is imaginary I take it. There is no demonstrated >> causaltiy between CO2 and average temperature. Proof. Temperature >> anamoaly 1940-1970 when CO2 went up and climate went DOWN. > > No, it can be easily calculated for Earth radiation balance not > considering GH effect. > > There is direct physical causality between ANY IR absorbing > component and average temperature, as such a component > affects Earth-soace radiation balance. > > That "proof" only says that signs of total differential and > partial derivative need not to agree. > > When your salary increase, it does not mean your savings > accumulation rate increase as well. It may as well decrease for > some periods. > >> >>> The 0.01 % increase if CO2 makes about 1.5 Deg C difference of >>> global average temperature difference. >> >> Can you or any organism tell the difference between 1 degree? > > Of course they can. > Subtropical species spread to regions not seen there before, > the same for spreading species toward higher altitudes. > >> Will one degree end the planet? > > For some species, it will not matter anymore. > > How much temperatrue difference between >> deserts and poles? Total temperature increase 1889-now less than one >> degree. > > Irrelevant parameter. >> >> >>> 0.01% CO2 is equivalent of cca 20 tons of carbon per a person, cca >>> 130 kg per person And year during 150 years. Let consider lower >>> AVG people count during the era, so let say 365 kg per person and >>> year, 1 kg per person and day. >> >> Which is what part of the CO2 cycle? > > Reformulated the question for better sense. I just pointed out 4% > of human contribution is unjustified. >> >>> Just by breathing, people population >>> contribution is comparable to total CO2 increase, not counting >>> burning fossil fuels and forests, which is much more. >> >> So your theory is that all of the INCREASE in CO2 levels is due entirely > > Since when are simple calculations a theory ? > >> and only because of man/animal/fuel generated CO2. > > You imply this, not me, nothing like that was said. > > Got any peer reviewed >> papers that support that theory? We are not discussing journalist >> non-science here. > > Since when are simple calculations a theory ? Learn more about > scientific theories and stop writing until you do. obviously you are not about to adhere to Ed's original premise of a science discussion and are here only to repeat your propaganda. ' Plonk.
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Analysis of climate models Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-31 10:22 -0700
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Re: Analysis of climate models Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-31 14:49 -0500
Re: Analysis of climate models Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-11-01 13:00 -0700
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Re: Analysis of climate models Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-11-01 06:32 +0100
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Re: Analysis of climate models Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-11-19 07:00 -0500
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