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Re: Tomorrow's battery medium

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bill.sloman wrote
>On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 3:56:01 AM UTC+11, 69883925...@nospam.org wrote:
>>
>gnuarm  wrote
>> >If you can't add a 50 amp electric outlet your wiring must be pretty primitive.
>>
>> In the US we have been installing 200 amp service for many decades.  I
>> >have a house built in the 60s by my dad who was perpetually cheap and only
>>
>>installed 100 amp service and I can still add an outlet that will charge
>overnight.
>>
>> IMO your view of reality is severely limited to your own 'scene'.
>> Here people park their car in front of the house, IF there is space,
>> running your charging cable over the sidewalk will get you in trouble.
>> Maybe run for 40 or 50 meters too if you need to park a bit further..
>> Losses, tangled mess, no way.
>>
>> In the cities people live in flats, cars parked outside, or if you are lucky
>in some sort of
>> garage.
>> In short forget about charging overnight.
>> So now everybody needs to go and wait an hour to charge,
>>
>> The electric grid here is in no way capable of the power your need.
>> Somebody do the math, the number of cars multiplied by ..
>
>It was done back in the 1970's and published in the Proceedings of the IEEE.
>
>>
>You do not even have enough power stations.
>
>Yet. Nor do we have enough electric cars around yet to make it worth setting
>up the extra power generators.
>
>It's a manageable problem - not something that is intrinsically impossible,
>or even difficult.
>
>> It is a dream, a usable reality only for a few, totally unpractical,
>> and an enormous load on the environment to replace that battery pack every
>few years...
>
>In Canada, parking meters have a power outlet, so that parked cars can plug
>in and rely on an electric heater to stop the engine blocked from freezing
>solid.
>
>It's not a big stretch to imagine on street parking offering the same service
>to keep the battery in an electric car topped up. You'd now wave your cash-card
>over the switch to turn it on, as opposed to the Canadian original where
>you fed coins into the parking meter, but that today's technology.
>
>Battery pack replacement doesn't seem to be a serious problem for people using
>electric cars now, and recycling old batteries isn't exactly an unfamiliar
>idea.

Really, recycling does not seem to work so well for >90% of electronics,
or did you mean dumping it in some third world country?



>The biggest environmental load seems to be on the brains of people who think
>that because something isn't being done now, it is impossible that it might
>be done sometime soon.

It is not impossible, but the reasons to push it are wrong.
1) it does not help or stop climate change.
2) it does make air a little cleaner, but clean air is not a problem where I live.

3) I does _force_ people to buy something new again, like in places where diesel cars are - or soon will be forbidden.
Same as with new TV standards that only allow for more advertising, now DVB-T2 here from the end of year,
so after just a few years of DVB-T throw all your stuff away again, for the second time since analog was replaced by DVB-T.
There is more of that climate crap,
now gas heaters will be forbidden, anybody who has those (everybody here) will eventually have to BUY again.
What your brain does not seem to phantom is you are being had.

I do not care, let them play, current gov here is not doing so bad financially, very business oriented,
But spare me the green crap plz.

There have been times I was in the car 3 hours a day to work and back, plus 8 hours work, plus half an hour or so break,
and then when home late still had a lot to do, try it with a 'trickety powered car.
Mine ran on LPG, then that got more and more expensive, it was CLEAN! So that will happen, as somebody else pointed out,
with 'trickety powered cars too, money making, taxes.

I am all for 'trickety cars, but I also know enough about 'trickety not to expect miracles.
And hydrogen ? Hindenburg, did you see that movie?
Driving with a big LPG tank in the back was always on my mind.
Had to fix the regulator once, broken PCB, miracle things are sold like that,
Expect disaster.
That was the relay circuit that was supposed to close the tank valves when the ignition impulses stopped,
too bad it was 2 PCBs vertically soldered against each other without any mechanical support,
broken of course.
Good thing the relay lost power that way,. But LPG cars have blown up, 'trickety cars have caught fire.
Hydrogen? Does that stuff not leak out of the smallest hole? Or was that helium?
Anyways, people filling kid's balloons (while smoking) from the car sort of images .. 
better stop here.
Ye Never Know Who Is Reading.
 
>Bill Sloman, Sydney

Hold on, do not fall off.

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