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Re: various OTs

From Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: various OTs
Date 2018-10-15 13:58 +0100
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On 15/10/2018 13:37, Joseph Gwinn wrote:
> On Oct 12, 2018, John Larkin wrote
> (in article<r2u1sddojvr815ukjlm0qhsr5bpa2fbe6s@4ax.com>):
> 
>> Another friend, a Fellow of a giant areospace conglomerate, tells me
>> that they have a new CEO. The old one was big on outsourcing, and they
>> did stuff like using contract programmers in India, and things went to
>> hell. They will be hiring 8000 engineers in the next few years, so
>> they can start learning how to do stuff again.
> 
> My immediate question is why anyone was surprised. Today’s programmers are
> typically innocent of any hardware knowledge or instinct, and have no idea
> how the system they are working on actually works.

OTOH I think it may be more an example of "you get what you pay for".

India also has a handful of organisations capable of writing six sigma 
quality code to the standard expected on manned space programs.

When you outsource stuff you had better get the specification right 
first time and choose the correct partners to work with. Otherwise you 
can get back something at the end which does exactly what you asked for 
rather than what you thought you had asked for. Seen it happen...

Cultural assumptions about ambiguities may be different and any loose 
ends have a nasty habit of causing serious trouble in software specs.

-- 
Regards,
Martin Brown

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various OTs John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-12 12:50 -0700
  Re: various OTs George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2018-10-12 13:04 -0700
    Re: various OTs John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-12 13:48 -0700
      Re: various OTs George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2018-10-12 17:46 -0700
  Re: various OTs dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2018-10-12 14:53 -0700
    Re: various OTs John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-12 15:30 -0700
      Re: various OTs Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-13 10:13 +0100
        Re: various OTs John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-13 09:33 -0700
          Re: various OTs Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2018-10-13 14:15 -0400
          Re: various OTs Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-15 10:09 +0100
            Re: various OTs John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-15 06:50 -0700
    Re: various OTs Clive Arthur <cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk> - 2018-10-13 10:37 +0100
      Re: various OTs DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2018-10-13 10:01 +0000
        Re: various OTs John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-13 11:08 -0700
      Re: various OTs John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-13 09:55 -0700
      Re: various OTs MikeP <mjp993@googlemail.com> - 2018-10-16 03:22 +0000
    Re: various OTs Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2018-10-13 22:39 -0700
      Re: various OTs Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2018-10-14 21:43 +0200
        Re: various OTs Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2018-10-15 19:46 -0700
  Re: various OTs DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2018-10-12 23:55 +0000
    Re: various OTs Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-12 16:58 -0700
    Re: various OTs bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-12 17:52 -0700
    Re: various OTs speff <spehro@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 06:53 -0700
      Re: various OTs John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-18 06:59 -0700
        Re: various OTs tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-10-18 14:10 -0700
          Re: various OTs "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2018-10-18 17:49 -0500
        Re: various OTs Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2018-10-18 21:04 -0400
          Re: various OTs Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2018-10-19 01:34 +0000
            Re: various OTs <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-19 07:11 +0000
  Re: various OTs "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2018-10-12 19:10 -0500
    Re: various OTs Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-13 06:22 -0700
      Re: various OTs Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2018-10-13 14:16 -0400
        Re: various OTs John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-13 17:19 -0700
    Re: various OTs whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 12:24 -0700
      Re: various OTs Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2018-10-13 17:30 -0400
        Re: various OTs Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-14 20:13 +0000
          Re: various OTs John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-14 13:59 -0700
            Re: various OTs Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2018-10-14 23:58 +0000
              Re: various OTs Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2018-10-15 01:05 +0000
                Re: various OTs Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-15 05:57 +0000
                Re: various OTs DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2018-10-15 11:09 +0000
              Re: various OTs <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-15 07:23 +0000
      Re: various OTs "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2018-10-13 21:39 -0500
  Re: various OTs bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-13 00:08 -0400
  Re: various OTs <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-13 06:59 +0000
    Re: various OTs John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-13 12:08 -0700
  Re: various OTs <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-13 07:27 +0000
    Re: various OTs speff <spehro@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 06:55 -0700
  Re: various OTs Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2018-10-13 07:32 -0700
    Re: various OTs John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-13 12:17 -0700
  Re: various OTs Joseph Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2018-10-15 08:37 -0400
    Re: various OTs Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-15 13:58 +0100
      Re: various OTs Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-15 14:34 +0100
      Re: various OTs Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2018-10-16 10:26 +1100
    Re: various OTs Clive Arthur <cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk> - 2018-10-16 10:46 +0100
      Re: various OTs tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-10-16 08:46 -0700
        Re: various OTs Clive Arthur <cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk> - 2018-10-16 19:53 +0100
          Re: various OTs tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-10-17 05:56 -0700

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