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Re: >< swap operator

From David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: >< swap operator
Date 2018-10-03 20:52 +0200
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On 03/10/18 16:29, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 10/3/2018 10:22 AM, David Brown wrote:
>> On 03/10/18 16:05, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On 10/3/2018 9:39 AM, David Brown wrote:
>>>> On 03/10/18 15:03, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>>       // Swap a and f()'s result, store f() into t
>>>>>       t = a >< f();
>>>>
>>>> I still don't understand what it would mean to "swap a and f()'s
>>>> result", unless you language supports references and f() returns a
>>>> reference.
>>>
>>> This particular use of the >< function returns the value of a,
>>> so it would be the same as this operation:
>>>
>>>      t = a;
>>>      a = f();
>>
>> So why not write that?  Everyone can see what that does.  There is no
>> need for a comment - just write code that says what you mean.
> 
> You can.  Nothing stopping you.

I want something stopping /you/ from writing anything else.

If a language is going to be useful, then it should fulfil two criteria:

1. It should be as easy as possible to write good code.
2. It should be as hard as possible to write bad code.

You make a good effort at number 1 here.  You completely miss out on 
number 2.

> 
>>>> As a general point, if you ever feel you need to write a comment to say
>>>> what a line of code /does/ (as distinct from /why/ it does it), then
>>>> your code is not clear enough.
>>>
>>> I have a goal in developing code, David, which is to be able
>>> to single-step through comments, not code, because, to be
>>> honest, I don't really care what the code is doing so long
>>> as it's working.  It should be doing what the comments say.
>>
>> I really am not sure how to respond to that.  Are you trying to tell me
>> you want your tools to interpret the comments and "run" them, regardless
>> of what the code says?  Presumably that would require comments being in
>> some kind of fixed syntax with defined meanings.  In that case, why
>> bother with the code - the comments /are/ code!
> 
> Two models, one to operate at the main outer comment level,
> one to operate at the comments-in-code level.
> 
> When you step over a comment, you run the code between it
> and the next comment.

As I said, I have no sensible response here that you would not deem 
insulting.  All I can say is that of all the misfeatures of your 
language, this one takes special place.  But I am not your target 
audience, so if you think this makes sense, it's up to you.

> 
> You're always against the things I'm moving toward.  It is
> literally the enemy within you working against me to do me
> harm, even though you'll swear up and down it isn't.

No, you just pick those cases and forget all the times I have encouraged 
you or said that I think something was a good idea.  To be fair, of the 
ideas you have posted in this group I think a large proportion have been 
bad, but I have been quick to say when I think something is good or when 
I agree with you.  I make technical comments and opinions on the 
technical solutions you present - this is not judgement on the language 
itself or your goals.  (I've talked about them too, but that is a 
different matter.)  When I make such technical comments, I really don't 
care why you are making the software, where your inspiration or 
motivation comes from, or anything else involved - I judge entirely on 
the information you post about the feature in question.

I do exactly the same for your language suggestions as for Bart's, 
Jacob's or anyone else's.  It is natural that I think most ideas are 
bad, because it is very difficult to come up with good new ideas.  But 
it would be nice if you (and Bart, and Jacob) stopped thinking that I 
and others are working against you or always negative.  Show me an idea 
I like, and I will be positive.

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>< swap operator skybuck2000@hotmail.com - 2018-08-13 12:53 -0700
  Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-08-13 16:05 -0400
  Re: >< swap operator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-08-13 13:46 -0700
    Re: >< swap operator Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-08-14 11:19 +0300
    Re: >< swap operator skybuck2000@hotmail.com - 2018-08-14 06:16 -0700
      Re: >< swap operator bart4858@gmail.com - 2018-08-14 07:50 -0700
        Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-08-14 16:59 +0200
          Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-08-14 10:46 -0700
            Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-08-14 20:03 +0200
              Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-08-14 11:37 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-08-14 21:16 +0200
          Re: >< swap operator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 11:32 -0700
          Re: >< swap operator bart4858@gmail.com - 2018-08-14 16:24 -0700
            Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-08-15 11:32 +0200
        Re: >< swap operator skybuck2000@hotmail.com - 2018-10-01 07:46 -0700
          Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 05:20 -0700
            Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 13:58 +0100
              Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 14:08 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 09:16 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-02 15:35 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 09:43 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-02 10:51 -0700
              Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 09:08 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 15:26 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 10:52 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 17:57 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:27 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 11:52 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 20:48 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 15:56 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:05 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-02 13:26 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 21:36 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-02 13:47 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-03 11:14 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 16:37 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 22:02 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 17:16 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-03 11:25 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-03 10:52 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-03 14:29 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 05:52 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-03 21:31 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 16:47 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-04 03:43 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 22:47 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-04 04:25 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 20:44 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-04 11:53 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 05:15 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-04 13:48 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 10:56 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-04 17:47 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 11:01 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-04 22:15 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 16:19 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-04 21:42 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 15:01 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-04 23:59 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-05 09:54 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-05 18:03 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-05 21:08 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-05 20:31 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2018-10-05 15:59 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-05 21:18 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-06 03:51 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-06 12:19 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-06 19:49 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-07 12:25 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-07 14:19 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 06:56 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-07 16:30 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-09 13:17 +0200
                C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-09 13:07 +0000
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-09 14:27 +0100
                Re: C idioms Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-10 00:05 +0100
                Re: C idioms Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-10 02:03 +0100
                Re: C idioms Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-11 01:05 +0100
                Re: C idioms Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-11 02:09 +0100
                Re: C idioms Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-11 12:39 +0100
                Re: C idioms Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-11 16:24 +0100
                Re: C idioms scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-11 15:55 +0000
                Re: C idioms Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-11 09:42 -0700
                Re: C idioms Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-11 19:23 +0200
                Re: C idioms jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-10-11 11:11 -0700
                Re: C idioms Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-11 12:05 -0700
                Re: C idioms Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-11 17:53 +0100
                Re: C idioms Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-11 10:38 -0700
                Re: C idioms Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-12 00:14 +0100
                Re: C idioms Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-11 19:26 +0100
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-09 16:38 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-09 15:23 +0000
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-09 20:31 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-09 20:18 +0100
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-09 22:11 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-09 20:50 +0000
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-09 22:58 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-09 22:34 +0100
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 08:10 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-10-09 14:45 -0700
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 08:07 +0200
                Hmmm... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-10 07:56 +0000
                Re: Hmmm... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 10:32 +0200
                Re: Hmmm... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-10-10 13:44 +0000
                Re: Hmmm... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-10 14:52 +0000
                Re: Hmmm... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-10 17:47 +0200
                Re: Hmmm... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 17:18 +0200
                Re: Hmmm... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-10 15:22 +0000
                Re: Hmmm... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 23:58 +0200
                Re: Hmmm... Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-10-10 07:51 -0600
                Re: Hmmm... gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-10 14:53 +0000
                Re: Hmmm... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 17:21 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-10 12:57 +0000
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-10-10 12:29 -0400
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-11 00:07 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-09 14:50 -0700
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 08:13 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-10 12:56 +0000
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 15:55 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-10 15:17 +0100
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-10 14:49 +0000
                Fall-through in switch statements... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-10 14:59 +0000
                Re: Fall-through in switch statements... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-10 16:09 +0100
                Re: Fall-through in switch statements... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) nobody@example.org (Scott) - 2018-10-10 17:29 +0000
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-10 16:01 +0100
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 17:29 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-10 17:55 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-10 17:11 +0100
                Re: C idioms Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-10 23:15 +0100
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-11 00:16 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-10 23:23 +0100
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-10 16:31 -0700
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-10 15:32 -0700
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-10 16:24 -0700
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-11 10:52 +0200
                Re: C idioms Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-10-10 09:59 -0600
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 17:26 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-10 14:48 +0000
                Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-10 14:51 +0000
                Re: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-10 15:20 +0000
                You know that and I know that, but ... (Was: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator))) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-10 15:28 +0000
                Re: You know that and I know that, but ... (Was: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator))) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-11 00:23 +0200
                Re: You know that and I know that, but ... (Was: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator))) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-11 13:22 +0000
                Re: You know that and I know that, but ... (Was: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator))) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-11 15:58 +0200
                Re: You know that and I know that, but ... (Was: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator))) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-11 14:17 +0000
                Re: You know that and I know that, but ... (Was: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator))) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-11 16:42 +0200
                Re: You know that and I know that, but ... (Was: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator))) Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-11 16:53 +0200
                Re: You know that and I know that, but ... (Was: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator))) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-11 20:11 +0200
                Re: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-11 00:20 +0200
                Re: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-10 16:15 -0700
                Re: Return values of fork() Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-10-11 14:42 -0600
                Re: C idioms Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-10-09 16:18 -0600
                Re: C idioms gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-09 22:28 +0000
                Re: C idioms scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-10 12:58 +0000
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 07:48 -0700
                Re: C idioms Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-09 16:42 +0100
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-09 19:40 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 12:38 -0700
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-09 23:41 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-09 19:38 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-07 15:04 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-07 16:37 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-07 16:58 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 12:17 -0400
                Grammar police! (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-07 20:37 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-10-07 09:31 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-07 18:09 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-10-07 14:05 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-07 22:35 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-08 02:56 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-08 10:48 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 12:09 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-10-08 16:00 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 17:44 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-08 10:39 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 20:08 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-09 11:22 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-09 09:25 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-09 20:43 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-09 20:15 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-09 22:26 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-10-08 21:09 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 15:18 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-08 07:55 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-09 11:24 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-10-08 07:19 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 16:26 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-10-10 10:59 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 19:53 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-10-07 18:00 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-07 17:10 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 01:25 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-08 02:51 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 11:29 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2018-10-08 04:41 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-10-08 07:56 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-08 08:36 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 17:34 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-08 21:35 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 22:00 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-09 00:47 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-09 01:11 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-09 02:47 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2018-10-09 00:49 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-09 11:28 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-09 13:00 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-08 10:28 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-08 10:49 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-10-07 20:00 -0600
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-06 13:07 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-05 23:35 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 03:49 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-06 16:18 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-06 14:48 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-06 12:53 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-07 16:38 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-10-07 15:56 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-07 16:53 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 17:07 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-07 17:24 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 01:30 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-10-07 19:12 -0600
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-06 18:26 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-06 19:41 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-06 13:05 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 02:24 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-07 12:41 +0200
                100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-06 00:22 +0000
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-06 01:55 +0100
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 03:58 -0700
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-06 11:51 +0000
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-06 13:09 +0100
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 05:26 -0700
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 05:40 -0700
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-06 12:46 +0000
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-10-06 12:46 +0000
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-06 12:49 +0000
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 06:27 -0700
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-07 12:47 +0000
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 09:03 -0400
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-07 16:47 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-05 10:17 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-05 09:20 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-05 10:58 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-05 12:09 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-05 03:11 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 07:56 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-05 14:25 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 08:39 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-05 15:47 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-05 17:30 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 11:41 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-05 17:56 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 12:00 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-10-05 12:34 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 12:48 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-10-05 13:55 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-05 11:20 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 14:45 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-10-05 21:39 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 08:51 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 14:18 -0800
                Re: >< swap operator Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-10-05 15:46 +0300
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 06:05 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 06:16 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-05 15:09 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 10:18 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-10-05 17:32 +0300
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 10:34 -0400
                Of course it is crazy! (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-05 15:17 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-05 18:30 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 14:48 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 15:06 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-05 13:55 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 06:14 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-05 16:18 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 10:21 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-05 17:27 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-05 15:26 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 10:28 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-05 14:46 +0000
                When pigs fly... (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-05 16:10 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-10-05 17:35 +0300
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 10:46 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-05 15:15 +0000
                6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-05 13:20 +0000
                Re: 6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 09:28 -0400
                Re: 6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-05 17:53 +0200
                Re: 6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 11:56 -0400
                Re: 6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-05 18:17 +0200
                Re: 6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 09:21 -0700
                Re: 6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-05 18:50 +0200
                Re: 6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 12:52 -0400
                Re: 6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 13:05 -0400
                Re: 6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 03:42 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-05 15:59 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-06 03:45 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-04 11:22 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-04 20:35 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-04 13:28 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-04 17:59 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 09:56 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 06:03 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-03 14:37 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 09:51 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-03 15:39 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 10:05 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 10:09 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-03 16:22 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 10:29 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-03 20:52 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 14:57 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-02 16:06 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-03 00:09 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2018-10-02 19:21 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-03 11:21 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:43 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-02 21:01 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-02 14:29 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 22:37 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 05:07 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 21:01 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 16:06 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 21:45 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 17:09 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 16:11 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 16:22 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:17 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:24 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-02 15:04 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator Niles Rogoff <eternal-september@niles.xyz> - 2018-10-03 18:28 +0000
  Re: >< swap operator Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 11:50 -0700
  Re: >< swap operator Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-14 17:07 -0700
    Re: >< swap operator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 02:22 -0700
      Re: >< swap operator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 02:34 -0700
        Re: >< swap operator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 03:09 -0700
      Re: >< swap operator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 03:24 -0700
        Re: >< swap operator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 04:51 -0700
          Re: >< swap operator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 05:06 -0700
      Re: >< swap operator Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-15 04:21 -0700
        Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-08-15 14:43 +0100
          Re: >< swap operator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 07:08 -0700
          Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-08-15 16:52 +0100
        Re: >< swap operator Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-08-15 15:51 +0000
  Re: >< swap operator John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 14:59 -0700
    Re: >< swap operator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 03:06 -0700
    Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 11:43 +0100
      Re: >< swap operator John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 07:27 -0700
        Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 15:43 +0100
          Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-02 11:01 -0700
        Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-02 10:54 -0700
          Re: >< swap operator Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 12:39 -0700
  Re: >< swap operator skybuck2000@hotmail.com - 2018-10-10 18:10 -0700
  Re: >< swap operator skybuck2000@hotmail.com - 2018-10-10 18:24 -0700

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