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Re: >< swap operator

From "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: >< swap operator
Date 2018-10-02 15:56 -0400
Organization Liberty Software Foundation
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On 10/2/2018 3:48 PM, Bart wrote:
> On 02/10/2018 19:52, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 1:27:55 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> I don't think we'll agree on this, so I'll agree to disagree.
>>> I think >< is nice.  I think we need ><= as well.  I may add
>>> them to CAlive.  We'll see.
>>
>> Bart, I will add this general comment:  I like operators.  I
>> like their utility, I like the fact that they're fundamental
>> to the language, and I like that with #define references you
>> can create a word to represent them and use that word in your
>> code.
>>
>> I believe operators should have a place.  All they need is a
>> special encoding, and then you can #define any wrapper around
>> them you want.
> 
> Slight problem: there is a limit to how many different operators you can 
> practically create out of combining any of < = > + - ! ~ * / & % | ? : ^.

You can introduce @ and # in use.  CAlive makes use of @ and #
in new ways.

> A three character sequence will give 3000 combinations, but how many would 
> anyone remember beyond a dozen new ones?

LOL!  I actually laughed out loud on that part. :-)

That's not the issue.  There are only so many operators that
are needed.  We have code today that does what they do, and a
few new ones can be added like the spaceship operator, and like
swap.  They're basic operations that make sense.

How many more do we need?

> Named operators on the other hand can easily contain 4, 5, 6 or more 
> characters with little trouble, and they can be chosen to spell out some 
> meaningful function, or serve as an aide-memoire more effectively than !*@&. 
> There is no real limit to how many could be created.

I would say two characters plus an optional equal sign.  I also
would have no problem defining a new character to represent an
operator, and make it a single character / keystroke on a special
programmer keyboard.

> (My languages use identifiers for many operators; see a selection below.
> 
> I'd be really interested in what symbol you would choose for the 'in' 
> operator (a in b returns true when a occurs in b; the details depend on the 
> types). There is also the composite operator 'not in'.

I have function for those.  I use in(needle, haystack1, hay2, ...
hayN);  I also have occurs(needle, haystack); which searches the
string haystack for the string needle, and returns how many times
it occurs.

Those are ideal for functions.

> BTW if you like operator-rich languages, have a look at K, a version of APL 
> but using ASCII. Very powerful language, but even a one-line program is 
> unreadable.)

If it's unreadable ... it's not for me, but I'll look at it out
of curiosity.  Did you ever have a chance to look at Julia?

>> I do not believe in adding special cases (like swap(a,b)) to
>> be a built-in compiler feature that behaves differently than
>> other functions.
> 
> What not? You take arguments a and b, apply swap to them, and something 
> happens. Just the same as applying any function.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> 
> and         infix
> or
> iand
> ior
> ixor
> in
> rem
> 
> min         infix or function-style syntax
> max
> swap
> clamp
> concat
> append
> 
> 
> not         prefix
> inot
> abs
> 
> sqrt        Written as 'sqrt a'
> sqr
> sin
> ...
> 
> len         Written as 'a.len'
> lwb
> upb
> minvalue
> maxvalue
> bytes
> bitwidth
> 
> isint
> ...

I'd have to see them in use.  RDC does allow for a target to
reference the things to the right or left of it, and if you
place the right priority on things, any of those could be
added as an operator and use the left and right relative objs
for input.

-- 
Rick C. Hodgin

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>< swap operator skybuck2000@hotmail.com - 2018-08-13 12:53 -0700
  Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-08-13 16:05 -0400
  Re: >< swap operator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-08-13 13:46 -0700
    Re: >< swap operator Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-08-14 11:19 +0300
    Re: >< swap operator skybuck2000@hotmail.com - 2018-08-14 06:16 -0700
      Re: >< swap operator bart4858@gmail.com - 2018-08-14 07:50 -0700
        Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-08-14 16:59 +0200
          Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-08-14 10:46 -0700
            Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-08-14 20:03 +0200
              Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-08-14 11:37 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-08-14 21:16 +0200
          Re: >< swap operator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 11:32 -0700
          Re: >< swap operator bart4858@gmail.com - 2018-08-14 16:24 -0700
            Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-08-15 11:32 +0200
        Re: >< swap operator skybuck2000@hotmail.com - 2018-10-01 07:46 -0700
          Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 05:20 -0700
            Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 13:58 +0100
              Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 14:08 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 09:16 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-02 15:35 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 09:43 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-02 10:51 -0700
              Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 09:08 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 15:26 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 10:52 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 17:57 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:27 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 11:52 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 20:48 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 15:56 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:05 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-02 13:26 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 21:36 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-02 13:47 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-03 11:14 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 16:37 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 22:02 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 17:16 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-03 11:25 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-03 10:52 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-03 14:29 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 05:52 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-03 21:31 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 16:47 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-04 03:43 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 22:47 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-04 04:25 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 20:44 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-04 11:53 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 05:15 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-04 13:48 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 10:56 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-04 17:47 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 11:01 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-04 22:15 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 16:19 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-04 21:42 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 15:01 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-04 23:59 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-05 09:54 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-05 18:03 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-05 21:08 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-05 20:31 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2018-10-05 15:59 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-05 21:18 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-06 03:51 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-06 12:19 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-06 19:49 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-07 12:25 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-07 14:19 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 06:56 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-07 16:30 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-09 13:17 +0200
                C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-09 13:07 +0000
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-09 14:27 +0100
                Re: C idioms Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-10 00:05 +0100
                Re: C idioms Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-10 02:03 +0100
                Re: C idioms Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-11 01:05 +0100
                Re: C idioms Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-11 02:09 +0100
                Re: C idioms Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-11 12:39 +0100
                Re: C idioms Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-11 16:24 +0100
                Re: C idioms scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-11 15:55 +0000
                Re: C idioms Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-11 09:42 -0700
                Re: C idioms Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-11 19:23 +0200
                Re: C idioms jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-10-11 11:11 -0700
                Re: C idioms Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-11 12:05 -0700
                Re: C idioms Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-11 17:53 +0100
                Re: C idioms Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-11 10:38 -0700
                Re: C idioms Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-12 00:14 +0100
                Re: C idioms Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-11 19:26 +0100
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-09 16:38 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-09 15:23 +0000
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-09 20:31 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-09 20:18 +0100
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-09 22:11 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-09 20:50 +0000
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-09 22:58 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-09 22:34 +0100
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 08:10 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-10-09 14:45 -0700
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 08:07 +0200
                Hmmm... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-10 07:56 +0000
                Re: Hmmm... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 10:32 +0200
                Re: Hmmm... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-10-10 13:44 +0000
                Re: Hmmm... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-10 14:52 +0000
                Re: Hmmm... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-10 17:47 +0200
                Re: Hmmm... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 17:18 +0200
                Re: Hmmm... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-10 15:22 +0000
                Re: Hmmm... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 23:58 +0200
                Re: Hmmm... Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-10-10 07:51 -0600
                Re: Hmmm... gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-10 14:53 +0000
                Re: Hmmm... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 17:21 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-10 12:57 +0000
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-10-10 12:29 -0400
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-11 00:07 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-09 14:50 -0700
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 08:13 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-10 12:56 +0000
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 15:55 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-10 15:17 +0100
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-10 14:49 +0000
                Fall-through in switch statements... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-10 14:59 +0000
                Re: Fall-through in switch statements... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-10 16:09 +0100
                Re: Fall-through in switch statements... (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) nobody@example.org (Scott) - 2018-10-10 17:29 +0000
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-10 16:01 +0100
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 17:29 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-10 17:55 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-10 17:11 +0100
                Re: C idioms Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-10 23:15 +0100
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-11 00:16 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-10 23:23 +0100
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-10 16:31 -0700
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-10 15:32 -0700
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-10 16:24 -0700
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-11 10:52 +0200
                Re: C idioms Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-10-10 09:59 -0600
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-10 17:26 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-10 14:48 +0000
                Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-10 14:51 +0000
                Re: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-10 15:20 +0000
                You know that and I know that, but ... (Was: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator))) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-10 15:28 +0000
                Re: You know that and I know that, but ... (Was: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator))) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-11 00:23 +0200
                Re: You know that and I know that, but ... (Was: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator))) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-11 13:22 +0000
                Re: You know that and I know that, but ... (Was: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator))) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-11 15:58 +0200
                Re: You know that and I know that, but ... (Was: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator))) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-11 14:17 +0000
                Re: You know that and I know that, but ... (Was: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator))) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-11 16:42 +0200
                Re: You know that and I know that, but ... (Was: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator))) Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-11 16:53 +0200
                Re: You know that and I know that, but ... (Was: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator))) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-11 20:11 +0200
                Re: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-11 00:20 +0200
                Re: Return values of fork() (Was: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator)) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-10 16:15 -0700
                Re: Return values of fork() Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-10-11 14:42 -0600
                Re: C idioms Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-10-09 16:18 -0600
                Re: C idioms gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-09 22:28 +0000
                Re: C idioms scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-10 12:58 +0000
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 07:48 -0700
                Re: C idioms Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-09 16:42 +0100
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-09 19:40 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 12:38 -0700
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-09 23:41 +0200
                Re: C idioms (Was: >< swap operator) Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-09 19:38 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-07 15:04 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-07 16:37 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-07 16:58 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 12:17 -0400
                Grammar police! (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-07 20:37 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-10-07 09:31 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-07 18:09 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-10-07 14:05 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-07 22:35 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-08 02:56 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-08 10:48 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 12:09 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-10-08 16:00 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 17:44 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-08 10:39 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 20:08 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-09 11:22 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-09 09:25 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-09 20:43 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-09 20:15 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-09 22:26 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-10-08 21:09 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 15:18 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-08 07:55 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-09 11:24 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-10-08 07:19 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 16:26 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-10-10 10:59 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 19:53 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-10-07 18:00 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-07 17:10 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 01:25 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-08 02:51 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 11:29 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2018-10-08 04:41 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-10-08 07:56 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-08 08:36 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 17:34 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-08 21:35 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 22:00 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-09 00:47 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-09 01:11 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-09 02:47 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2018-10-09 00:49 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-09 11:28 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-09 13:00 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-08 10:28 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-08 10:49 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-10-07 20:00 -0600
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-06 13:07 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-05 23:35 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 03:49 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-06 16:18 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-06 14:48 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-06 12:53 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-07 16:38 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-10-07 15:56 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-07 16:53 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 17:07 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-07 17:24 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-08 01:30 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-10-07 19:12 -0600
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-06 18:26 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-06 19:41 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-06 13:05 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 02:24 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-07 12:41 +0200
                100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-06 00:22 +0000
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-06 01:55 +0100
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 03:58 -0700
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-06 11:51 +0000
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-06 13:09 +0100
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 05:26 -0700
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 05:40 -0700
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-06 12:46 +0000
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-10-06 12:46 +0000
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-06 12:49 +0000
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 06:27 -0700
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-07 12:47 +0000
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 09:03 -0400
                Re: 100% of the user base... (Was: >< swap operator) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-07 16:47 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-05 10:17 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-05 09:20 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-05 10:58 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-05 12:09 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-05 03:11 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 07:56 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-05 14:25 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 08:39 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-05 15:47 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-05 17:30 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 11:41 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-05 17:56 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 12:00 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-10-05 12:34 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 12:48 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-10-05 13:55 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-05 11:20 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 14:45 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-10-05 21:39 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 08:51 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 14:18 -0800
                Re: >< swap operator Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-10-05 15:46 +0300
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 06:05 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 06:16 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-05 15:09 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 10:18 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-10-05 17:32 +0300
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 10:34 -0400
                Of course it is crazy! (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-05 15:17 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-05 18:30 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 14:48 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 15:06 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-05 13:55 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 06:14 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-05 16:18 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 10:21 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-05 17:27 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-05 15:26 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 10:28 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-05 14:46 +0000
                When pigs fly... (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-05 16:10 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-10-05 17:35 +0300
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 10:46 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-05 15:15 +0000
                6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-05 13:20 +0000
                Re: 6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 09:28 -0400
                Re: 6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-05 17:53 +0200
                Re: 6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 11:56 -0400
                Re: 6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-05 18:17 +0200
                Re: 6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 09:21 -0700
                Re: 6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-05 18:50 +0200
                Re: 6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 12:52 -0400
                Re: 6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 13:05 -0400
                Re: 6K years??? (Was: >< swap operator) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 03:42 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-05 15:59 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-06 03:45 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-04 11:22 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-04 20:35 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-04 13:28 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-04 17:59 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 09:56 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 06:03 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-03 14:37 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 09:51 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-03 15:39 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 10:05 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 10:09 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-03 16:22 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 10:29 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-03 20:52 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 14:57 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-02 16:06 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-03 00:09 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2018-10-02 19:21 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-03 11:21 +0200
                Re: >< swap operator Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:43 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-02 21:01 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-02 14:29 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 22:37 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 05:07 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 21:01 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 16:06 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 21:45 +0100
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 17:09 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 16:11 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 16:22 -0400
                Re: >< swap operator Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:17 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:24 -0700
                Re: >< swap operator scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-02 15:04 +0000
                Re: >< swap operator Niles Rogoff <eternal-september@niles.xyz> - 2018-10-03 18:28 +0000
  Re: >< swap operator Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 11:50 -0700
  Re: >< swap operator Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-14 17:07 -0700
    Re: >< swap operator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 02:22 -0700
      Re: >< swap operator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 02:34 -0700
        Re: >< swap operator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 03:09 -0700
      Re: >< swap operator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 03:24 -0700
        Re: >< swap operator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 04:51 -0700
          Re: >< swap operator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 05:06 -0700
      Re: >< swap operator Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-15 04:21 -0700
        Re: >< swap operator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-08-15 14:43 +0100
          Re: >< swap operator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 07:08 -0700
          Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-08-15 16:52 +0100
        Re: >< swap operator Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-08-15 15:51 +0000
  Re: >< swap operator John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 14:59 -0700
    Re: >< swap operator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 03:06 -0700
    Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 11:43 +0100
      Re: >< swap operator John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 07:27 -0700
        Re: >< swap operator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-02 15:43 +0100
          Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-02 11:01 -0700
        Re: >< swap operator Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-10-02 10:54 -0700
          Re: >< swap operator Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 12:39 -0700
  Re: >< swap operator skybuck2000@hotmail.com - 2018-10-10 18:10 -0700
  Re: >< swap operator skybuck2000@hotmail.com - 2018-10-10 18:24 -0700

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