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Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones?

From Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net>
Newsgroups comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones?
Date 2018-08-20 22:48 +0000
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On 20 Aug 2018 13:06:14 GMT, sms wrote:

> It makes me very sad to think that I am using a phone designed by 
> courage-less cowards, but I get over it.

The whole "courage" thing is *I-M-P-O-R-T-A-N-T* because neither Google nor
Apple has provided any valid explanation that fits logic.
 Apple defends decision to remove 3.5mm headphone jack, cites “courage”
 <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/09/apple-justifies-decision-to-remove-3-5mm-headphone-jack-cites-courage/>
  "It comes down to one word," Schiller said. "Courage. 
   The courage to move on and do something better for all of us."

Logical sentient adults (aka, not Apple Apologist) reasonably differ with
Apple's justification for removing basic functionality from the iPhone:
 No, Apple, killing your headphone jack is not "courage"
 <https://mashable.com/2016/09/07/iphone-headphone-jack-courage/>
  "And what has Apple done? It has eradicated the most successful, 
   most widespread and best-sounding audio standard in the world 
   in favor of its own proprietary system. A number of words come 
   to mind to describe this. "Hubris" is one; "arrogance" is another.
   Given the amount of $9 aux-to-Lightning cable dongles Apple is
   likely to sell, you could use "greed."

Just as Apple's first explanations of why they were secretly throttling
their phones never fit any actual logic - and yet the Apple Apologists
backed them up - even as Apple secretly changed their release notes after
the fact.

Neither Google nor Apple seems to have a *logical explanation*, where that
usually tells us that they simply don't want us to know why they removed
the basic functionality.

Google even made fun of Apple when Apple removed the basic functionality.

And yet, both Google & Apple stand to make a *lot* of money simply by
removing basic functionality from their phones as Apple leads the way:
  Each Lost or Damaged AirPod Costs $69 to Replace
  <https://www.pcmag.com/news/350375/each-lost-or-damaged-airpod-costs-69-to-replace>
   "Apple's "courageous" decision to remove the headphone jack 
   from the iPhone 7 was meant to boost sales of wireless 
   earphones for the company."

https://mashable.com/2016/07/23/killing-headphone-jack-sucks/
 "That's the response I expect to hear from all *the apologists* who
  think that smartphones without headphone jacks are NBD."

Notice that even the press calls the Apple Apologists what they are.

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Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-16 17:58 -0700
  Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2018-08-16 20:19 -0500
    Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? Arthur Conan Doyle <lab@rules.com.invalid> - 2018-08-17 09:07 +0100
    Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-17 06:12 -0700
      Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-17 15:24 +0000
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          Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-17 13:30 -0400
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                Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-17 17:31 -0400
                Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-17 23:13 +0000
                Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? abcdef <abcdef@abcdef.com> - 2018-08-17 21:16 -0700
                Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-18 00:36 -0400
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                Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-18 10:12 +0000
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                Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-18 22:00 +0000
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                Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-18 21:20 -0700
                Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-19 05:14 +0000
                Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-19 06:26 -0400
                Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-20 02:06 +0000
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                Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-20 02:32 +0000
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                Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-20 04:05 +0000
                Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-20 01:01 -0400
                Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-20 05:34 +0000
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                Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-19 00:16 +0000
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                Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-20 16:04 +0000
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