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Re: What is a particle?

From benj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: What is a particle?
Date 2018-08-01 20:05 -0400
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On 8/1/2018 5:05 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 8/1/2018 9:01 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Odd
>>>> “Physicists use this as a handy visualization tool, but if you’ve never read
>>>> what the visualization actually represents, you may be making a serious
>>>> conceptual mistake. ”
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Odd.
>>>> Explain what you conceive as a ‘field’.
>>>> What do those lines actually represent?
>>>> Please tell me so I don’t make a serious conceptual mistake.
>>>> Use very simple English, please
>>>>
>>>
>>> See? I knew it. You don’t know what the field lines even mean, and you’re
>>> just making shit up like motion or flow of exchanged particles. Why do you
>>> MAKE SHIT UP, when the explanation of the visualization takes maybe a half
>>> page of text in a textbook?? Huh??
>>>
>>> Magnetic and electric fields are vector fields, which means that if you
>>> pick any particular place in space, the field will have a certain
>>> magnitude/strength and a particular direction. Think of the spines on a
>>> hedgehog. Notice the spines are NOT moving anywhere.
>>>
>>> The way field lines represent this vector field is like this:
>>> 1. Pick a place in space.
>>> 2. Find the nearest field line to that place. Put your finger on the
>>> nearest spot on the nearest field line. This won’t be perfect but you can
>>> interpolate.
>>> 3. The direction of the tangent to that field line where you finger is, is
>>> the direction of the field.
>>> 4. The magnitude of the field is inversely proportional to the spacing
>>> between the field lines. So if the field lines are spaced more apart there,
>>> then the magnitude is weaker. If the field lines are closely spaced, then
>>> the field magnitude is stronger.
>>>
>>> With this prescription, you should be able to draw a field line map of the
>>> spines on a hedgehog. Try that to practice this skill. You won’t get it
>>> right the first time.
>>>
>>> NOTHING IS MOVING ALONG THOSE LINES.
>>>
>> Odd you have no idea what you are talking about. "Field lines" or what
>> are often termed Faraday lies of force are as bogus as Farday's Law.
>>
>> They do not make sense and have never made sense and science does not
>> embrace them except to notice how they seem to occur when you put iron
>> filings around a magent. But mathematically "field lines" are utter
>> nonsense. Fields only exist at points there is no consistent way you can
>> define these fantasy "lines" from a field. Science has known this since
>> the time of Faraday.
> 
> This is why of course so many textbooks are so good at explaining the field
> line representation of vector fields, and as appropriate, how that relates
> to equipotential surfaces — because it makes no conceptual or mathematical
> sense to Ben. Oh and there’s also all that talk about field fluxes and how
> that’s represented in field line diagrams, and theorems about the surface
> integrals of these field fluxes, a couple of which for example are
> recognizable as Maxwell electrodynamics laws.
> 
> Lol.

I'm not going to waste my time trying to cure your massive ignorance. 
I"ll let John handle that job. Suffice it to say that while text books 
often draw field lines as an illustration. They are nonsense. There is 
no consistent way to count them or calculate with them. You are still an 
idiot. Equipotential surfaces of course are something quite different 
and obviously do exist and are used in calculations. Any other strawmen 
want to try to drag out and whack to pieces?

>> Why don't you forget your philosophy fantasies and learn some science
>> from John?

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What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 16:02 -0700
  Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 23:34 +0000
  Re: What is a particle? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-25 19:28 -0700
  Re: What is a particle? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-25 21:47 -0500
    Re: What is a particle? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-25 22:08 -0700
    Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 09:52 -0400
      Re: What is a particle? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-26 09:28 -0500
        Re: What is a particle? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-26 12:47 -0700
          Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 13:30 -0700
            Re: What is a particle? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-26 21:27 +0000
            Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 01:03 +0000
              Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 18:25 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-26 18:41 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 02:02 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-26 19:33 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 01:41 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-27 02:56 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-26 20:10 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-28 16:42 -0500
                Re: What is a particle? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-28 14:53 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-28 23:15 -0500
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 05:29 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 12:36 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 05:44 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 06:03 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 06:14 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 06:48 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 08:32 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-29 19:11 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 19:32 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-29 18:59 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? Wayne Dial <ulau@dvbpdn.dv> - 2018-07-29 19:37 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 06:41 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 07:51 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 15:41 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 09:45 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-31 10:14 -0500
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 11:56 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-30 10:42 -0500
                Re: What is a particle? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-30 16:59 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 19:32 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-29 18:50 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? Wayne Dial <ulau@dvbpdn.dv> - 2018-07-29 19:42 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-29 12:57 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-30 17:04 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 10:18 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 17:25 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 16:15 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 00:26 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 05:17 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 12:41 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 13:37 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 07:13 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 00:41 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-01 01:04 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 04:48 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 12:04 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 05:37 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 13:01 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 06:13 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 14:58 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 08:33 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 18:37 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-01 13:44 -0500
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 15:12 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-08-01 15:51 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 16:11 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-01 15:13 -0500
                Re: What is a particle? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-01 21:06 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-01 17:18 -0500
                Re: What is a particle? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 10:55 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-03 19:11 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-04 18:22 -0500
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 19:54 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 10:55 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 15:02 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 21:05 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 14:59 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 21:05 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 20:05 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 01:38 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 18:55 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 03:17 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 01:36 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 01:04 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 09:41 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 10:37 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 07:42 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-02 15:06 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 08:34 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 09:52 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-02 17:18 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 10:50 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-02 20:42 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 16:12 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 00:16 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 20:51 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 13:48 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 07:27 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 15:22 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 08:30 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 17:30 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 14:06 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 13:56 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 18:14 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 15:16 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 20:41 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-04 02:51 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-04 14:22 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-04 12:29 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-04 13:55 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 10:38 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-02 22:51 -0500
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 22:25 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-04 20:11 -0500
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                Re: What is a particle? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-02 23:32 -0700
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                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 06:25 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 06:23 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 13:48 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 13:46 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 18:14 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 15:09 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 13:48 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 00:16 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 01:34 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 09:25 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 10:33 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-02 15:00 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 16:08 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-02 20:52 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 00:16 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 20:57 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 13:09 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 13:33 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 18:13 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 15:07 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 20:41 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 13:48 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 13:45 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 18:14 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 15:07 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 20:41 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-03 20:17 -0500
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 00:16 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-02 17:34 -0700
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                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 18:38 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 22:54 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 20:26 -0700
                Re: What is a particle? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-03 12:25 -0500
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 21:03 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 13:48 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 14:00 -0400
                Re: What is a particle? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-01 00:54 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? Wayne Dial <ulau@dvbpdn.dv> - 2018-07-30 19:15 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-01 00:59 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 19:32 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 17:55 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-29 13:20 -0500
                Re: What is a particle? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-29 18:47 +0000
                Re: What is a particle? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-28 18:15 -0400
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          Re: What is a particle? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 14:14 +0000
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