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Re: Deep Thought

From benj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
Newsgroups rec.arts.sf.written, sci.physics, alt.astronomy
Subject Re: Deep Thought
Date 2018-07-26 19:45 -0400
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On 7/26/2018 2:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> benj wrote:
>>
>> On 7/26/2018 2:36 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Am 25.07.2018 um 01:52 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson:
>>>>
>>>>>>> <sci-fi>
>>>>>>> I have always had a little feeling that the big bang might be nothing
>>>>>>> more than a local hyper massive explosion contained within a much
>>>>>>> larger universe. Perhaps a cluster of ultra massive black holes all
>>>>>>> finally merged together. Wrt a larger universe, the big bang could be
>>>>>>> a single pixel in the following rendering:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=17379
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=17386
>>>>>>> (a zoom...)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> </sci-fi>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice pictures!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you. :^)
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think, the universe is actually a very large fractal and our little
>>>>>> world is nothing but a 'chapter' in a much larger story.
>>>>>
>>>>> Think of a fractal where branching points are the result of a shi% load
>>>>> of hyper massive black holes finally merging together into a single,
>>>>> crazy massive black hole. Well, think if each branch in the following
>>>>> online 2d vector field simulation of mine was a universe, contained
>>>>> within a black hole centered at the point of bifurcation:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://funwithfractals.atspace.cc/ct_fdla_anime_dynamic_test/
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, if this works for you, one can click on a point to dynamically
>>>>> create a new attracting point. Let it run for a couple of minutes, then
>>>>> click a couple of points within the parametric square.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fwiw, I am working on an interactive OpenGL 3d version.
>>>>
>>>> Fractals require complex numbers (in '4D') and the universe could
>>>> possibly be based on something similar to quaternions or bi-quaternions
>>>> (complex four vectors).
>>>>
>>>> I'm actually following this idea and it looks quite promising.
>>>>
>>>> (btw - you may have look at my 'book' here:
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6  )
>>>>
>>>>>> To understand the idea of big bang, you need to think about the
>>>>>> underlying axioms of big-bang theory (which are - of course - wrong).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Big-bang is based on a single universal time-line, that starts at the
>>>>>> event called big-bang and ends (for instance) here.#
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This cannot possibly be true. One reason: the universe does not look
>>>>>> like an expanding two-dimensional sphere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Better solution: there are multiple timelines possible and to any such
>>>>>> 'axis of time' belongs a different 'time domaine' which has its own
>>>>>> space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Such a space could pop out of nowhere and subsequently build a new
>>>>>> 'universe'. But that 'universe' is just a local impression and not
>>>>>> universal at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Imvvvvho, it did not pop out of "nowhere". I just have a strange feeling
>>>>> that it was, perhaps never created at all! It was always there, will
>>>>> continue to be, and will never pass away. Humm... Not sure at all! I
>>>>> just have a little feeling.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.de/Zero-Infinity-Foundations-Physics-Everything/dp/9812709142
>>>>
>>>> The theory of Prof. Peter Rowlands was, that nothing could actually
>>>> split into opposite directions. The one side could add to the other to
>>>> nothing again, if these sides would ever combine to again (what
>>>> apparently does not happen).
>>>>
>>>> That would be a creation out of nothing.
>>>>
>>>> TH
>>>
>>> nothing doesn't exist..there will always be something where there is nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>> In other words...you cannot "creation out of nothing" since 'creation' means..."bring *something* into existence".
>>>
>>>
>>> So, something comes from nothing...(using your own words 'creation')
>>>
>> That is a really deep scientific thought, faker.
> 
> 
> 
> There is nothing scientific about nothing since physics is about the properties of...something.
> 
By your own "logic" nothing is something and thus a proper study of 
science.

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Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-22 14:26 -0700
  Re: Deep Thought Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-07-23 16:43 +0200
    Re: Deep Thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-23 18:08 +0200
      Re: Deep Thought "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-23 21:45 -0700
        Re: Deep Thought Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-07-24 11:42 +0200
          Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-24 11:21 -0700
          Re: Deep Thought "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-24 16:52 -0700
            Re: Deep Thought Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-07-25 22:31 +0200
              Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-25 23:36 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 10:00 -0400
                Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-26 11:23 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 19:45 -0400
              Re: Deep Thought "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-25 23:56 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-26 00:00 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-07-27 17:01 +1000
                Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-27 10:38 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-28 10:38 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-27 14:29 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-07-28 12:00 +0200
                Re: Deep Thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-28 14:44 +0200
                Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-12 15:59 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-12 16:15 -0700
                Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-12 16:30 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-13 21:20 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-13 23:42 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-14 00:36 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-28 00:21 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-28 00:56 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-08-28 19:23 +1000
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-29 00:01 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-28 23:58 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-29 11:09 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-29 20:24 +0200
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-29 13:39 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-30 03:43 +0200
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-29 20:43 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-31 00:52 +0200
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-31 09:48 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-31 22:46 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-01 13:50 +0200
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-09-01 09:37 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-29 18:09 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-30 04:36 +0200
        Re: Deep Thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-24 21:19 +0200
          Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-24 13:04 -0700
            Re: Deep Thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-25 03:36 +0200
              Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-24 22:44 -0700
  Re: Deep Thought benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 11:05 -0400
  Re: Deep Thought "C. Deifir" <cdf@dfr.net.inv> - 2018-07-23 21:18 +0100

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