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Re: Deep Thought

Message-ID <5B596BF0.3E6F@ix.netcom.com> (permalink)
Date 2018-07-25 23:36 -0700
From The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups rec.arts.sf.written, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, alt.astronomy
Subject Re: Deep Thought
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Thomas Heger wrote:
> 
> Am 25.07.2018 um 01:52 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson:
> 
> >>> <sci-fi>
> >>> I have always had a little feeling that the big bang might be nothing
> >>> more than a local hyper massive explosion contained within a much
> >>> larger universe. Perhaps a cluster of ultra massive black holes all
> >>> finally merged together. Wrt a larger universe, the big bang could be
> >>> a single pixel in the following rendering:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=17379
> >>>
> >>> http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=17386
> >>> (a zoom...)
> >>>
> >>> </sci-fi>
> >>
> >> Nice pictures!
> >
> > Thank you. :^)
> >
> >>
> >> I think, the universe is actually a very large fractal and our little
> >> world is nothing but a 'chapter' in a much larger story.
> >
> > Think of a fractal where branching points are the result of a shi% load
> > of hyper massive black holes finally merging together into a single,
> > crazy massive black hole. Well, think if each branch in the following
> > online 2d vector field simulation of mine was a universe, contained
> > within a black hole centered at the point of bifurcation:
> >
> > http://funwithfractals.atspace.cc/ct_fdla_anime_dynamic_test/
> >
> > Now, if this works for you, one can click on a point to dynamically
> > create a new attracting point. Let it run for a couple of minutes, then
> > click a couple of points within the parametric square.
> >
> > Fwiw, I am working on an interactive OpenGL 3d version.
> 
> Fractals require complex numbers (in '4D') and the universe could
> possibly be based on something similar to quaternions or bi-quaternions
> (complex four vectors).
> 
> I'm actually following this idea and it looks quite promising.
> 
> (btw - you may have look at my 'book' here:
> 
> https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6  )
> 
> >> To understand the idea of big bang, you need to think about the
> >> underlying axioms of big-bang theory (which are - of course - wrong).
> >>
> >> Big-bang is based on a single universal time-line, that starts at the
> >> event called big-bang and ends (for instance) here.#
> >>
> >> This cannot possibly be true. One reason: the universe does not look
> >> like an expanding two-dimensional sphere.
> >>
> >> Better solution: there are multiple timelines possible and to any such
> >> 'axis of time' belongs a different 'time domaine' which has its own
> >> space.
> >>
> >> Such a space could pop out of nowhere and subsequently build a new
> >> 'universe'. But that 'universe' is just a local impression and not
> >> universal at all.
> >
> > Imvvvvho, it did not pop out of "nowhere". I just have a strange feeling
> > that it was, perhaps never created at all! It was always there, will
> > continue to be, and will never pass away. Humm... Not sure at all! I
> > just have a little feeling.
> 
> https://www.amazon.de/Zero-Infinity-Foundations-Physics-Everything/dp/9812709142
> 
> The theory of Prof. Peter Rowlands was, that nothing could actually
> split into opposite directions. The one side could add to the other to
> nothing again, if these sides would ever combine to again (what
> apparently does not happen).
> 
> That would be a creation out of nothing.
> 
> TH

nothing doesn't exist..there will always be something where there is nothing.


In other words...you cannot "creation out of nothing" since 'creation' means..."bring *something* into existence".


So, something comes from nothing...(using your own words 'creation')

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Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-22 14:26 -0700
  Re: Deep Thought Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-07-23 16:43 +0200
    Re: Deep Thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-23 18:08 +0200
      Re: Deep Thought "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-23 21:45 -0700
        Re: Deep Thought Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-07-24 11:42 +0200
          Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-24 11:21 -0700
          Re: Deep Thought "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-24 16:52 -0700
            Re: Deep Thought Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-07-25 22:31 +0200
              Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-25 23:36 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 10:00 -0400
                Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-26 11:23 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 19:45 -0400
              Re: Deep Thought "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-25 23:56 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-26 00:00 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-07-27 17:01 +1000
                Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-27 10:38 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-28 10:38 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-27 14:29 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-07-28 12:00 +0200
                Re: Deep Thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-28 14:44 +0200
                Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-12 15:59 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-12 16:15 -0700
                Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-12 16:30 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-13 21:20 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-13 23:42 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-14 00:36 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-28 00:21 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-28 00:56 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-08-28 19:23 +1000
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-29 00:01 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-28 23:58 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-29 11:09 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-29 20:24 +0200
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-29 13:39 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-30 03:43 +0200
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-29 20:43 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-31 00:52 +0200
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-31 09:48 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-31 22:46 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-01 13:50 +0200
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-09-01 09:37 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-29 18:09 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-30 04:36 +0200
        Re: Deep Thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-24 21:19 +0200
          Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-24 13:04 -0700
            Re: Deep Thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-25 03:36 +0200
              Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-24 22:44 -0700
  Re: Deep Thought benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 11:05 -0400
  Re: Deep Thought "C. Deifir" <cdf@dfr.net.inv> - 2018-07-23 21:18 +0100

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