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Re: Space is not empty- just invisible

From benj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Space is not empty- just invisible
Date 2018-07-18 19:15 -0400
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On 7/18/2018 2:43 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Odd
>>
>> I want to put these exchanges all together:
>>
>> John: Let’s nail  this down.
>> You believe that fields  exist everywhere in every possible place they
>> can be, accommodating every possible scenario, but just ‘not  active’, or
>> ‘not discernible’, until they ARE active,  but nothing is producing them,
>> or flowing through  space, they just ‘are’.
>> Is that about  it, Odd?
>> Odd: No that’s not it.  I’ve said nothing of the kind. Good grief, John, just  one
>> made-up babble  after another.
>> John:Here, Odd, I’ll save  you the time: (reposts Odds post fromAug2017 )
>> “But the real picture of  the 21st century is far stranger, and  amateurs
>> may not be  fully aware of it.
>>
>> In a very brief  nutshell, all "things" have been replaced by fields
>> which  extend over ALL space and time. They don't live IN space  and time
>> like you imagine  particles or ping pong balls. They are part of  the
>> fabric OF space  and time.
>>
>> There are ripples in these  fields, which have behavior constrained by
>> symmetries of nature, which  are more fundamental in a deep sense than
>> the conservation laws of nature.
>>
>> Ripples can be measured  by a quantity called "action", which physicists
>> have known about for  a long time. What they didn't know until the 20th
>> century is that the smallest  chunk of action is given by a number called
>> Planck's constant. These  smallest ripples are what we associate with
>> field quanta, and when physicists say "fundamental particles" they  are
>> really talking about these field quanta.
>>
>> So, recapping so far, the  idea of "things" moving through space and time
>> has become replaced with the  idea of fields that extend everywhere, and
>> the ripples in them that are  bestowed with small amounts of action.
>>
>> (I've glossed over a key idea that  a field is nothing more than a map of
>> the value(s) of a property(ies) OF spacetime itself. Different fields
>> correspond to different sets of  properties of spacetime, and all the
>> fields overlay each other. The little quantized ripples in the fields
>> can be distinct from each other though, in some sense.)
>>
>> Now the last core concept is that a  ripple carrying some action in one
>> field can generate or disturb a ripple carrying some action in a
>> different field. This is what we call an interaction between fields.
>> Here's where another old idea gets replaced -- charge (like color charge
>> or electromagnetic charge) is not some kind of "stuff" that belongs to
>> "things"; instead, charge is just defined as that tendency for a given
>> pair of fields to interact  and create ripples in each other. The laws
>> that control these interactions are in fact driven by yet more
>> symmetries of nature (local gauge  symmetries).
>>
>> What's astonishing about this is that physicists now believe that the
>> fundamental  thing that physics is about is the interaction, not the
>> object. And rather than physical  laws, physicists now think of
>> symmetries as the fundamental constraint. ”
>>
>> That’s Odd on not just Space, but everything. It’s kind of QM all grown
>> up, where it’s ALL bullshit
>>
> 
> Well, fascinating that you think it’s bullshit when it’s validated with
> data. Fascinating that you believe that anything that does not fit YOUR
> worldview is bullshit, even though your worldview is not supported by data
> and is in conflict with known laws of physics (eg precession locked to
> rotation without external torque).
> 
> Truth in science is not determined by your incredulity.

Nor by your fantasies.

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Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 06:49 -0700
  Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 14:12 +0000
    Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 07:20 -0700
      Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 14:22 +0000
        Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 07:30 -0700
          Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 07:54 -0700
          Re: Space is not empty- just invisible benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 12:19 -0400
            Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 16:37 +0000
              Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 09:56 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 17:05 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 18:27 -0400
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 22:57 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 19:27 -0400
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 01:33 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 18:54 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 12:54 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 10:47 -0400
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 15:23 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-18 22:32 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 11:01 -0400
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 09:52 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-07-20 10:25 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-20 12:05 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 14:14 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-20 18:30 -0700
              Re: Space is not empty- just invisible benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 12:58 -0400
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 10:08 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 17:14 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 18:37 -0400
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 17:08 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 10:17 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 17:26 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 10:33 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 10:37 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 10:44 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 10:48 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 18:43 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 18:42 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 19:14 -0400
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 01:33 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 11:23 -0400
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 15:34 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-18 18:14 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 11:16 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 11:19 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 11:39 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-18 18:44 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 11:55 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-18 19:16 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 18:42 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 11:06 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 11:11 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 18:43 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 19:15 -0400
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 01:33 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 11:25 -0400
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 15:39 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 14:37 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 22:12 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 16:53 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-20 05:35 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 18:31 -0400
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 22:57 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 19:37 -0400
    Re: Space is not empty- just invisible benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 12:16 -0400
  Re: Space is not empty- just invisible moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-18 15:21 +0000
  Re: Space is not empty- just invisible mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-18 10:58 -0700
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  Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-20 00:16 -0500
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    Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 05:50 -0700
      Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 07:22 -0700
        Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 07:58 -0700
          Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 15:21 +0000
            Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 08:31 -0700
              Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 16:54 +0000
            Re: Space is not empty- just invisible moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-20 15:56 +0000
          Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 09:59 -0700
            Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 17:53 -0700
              Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 13:50 +0000
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                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 11:23 -0400
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 15:45 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 12:32 -0400
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 19:30 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 18:19 -0400
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 15:32 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 22:40 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 22:05 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-22 05:11 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 22:46 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-21 22:56 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 05:35 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 21:43 -0400
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 09:23 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-21 12:48 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-22 12:41 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-22 19:58 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 00:23 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 11:55 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-23 20:39 +0000
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-23 17:25 -0700
              Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 13:25 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 14:47 -0700
              Re: Space is not empty- just invisible poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-21 20:16 -0700
                Re: Space is not empty- just invisible mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-21 20:25 -0700
        Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 15:21 +0000
  Re: Space is not empty- just invisible "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 13:15 -0700
    Re: Space is not empty- just invisible "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-07-21 18:12 -0700
  Re: Space is not empty- just invisible Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-23 15:08 -0500
    Re: Space is not empty- just invisible benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 17:47 -0400
      Re: Space is not empty- just invisible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 16:42 -0700
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