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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese |
| Date | 2018-07-10 17:45 +0000 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <pi2rcg$1s2l$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
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Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 2:14:56 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 1:09:48 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 7:19:06 AM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 6:05:15 AM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 1:17:36 AM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 4:15:50 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 1:20:04 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space has not curvature and no 'schmervature ''
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing and has no properties whatsoever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EXCEPT - HOSTONG MASS !!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I m so happy for you that God whispered this information to you, a prophet,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that you need no experimental test to know that it is true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while mass is the main 'hero' of physics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it has some unknown yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sub particles -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -THAT MOVE 'NATURALLY' IN CURVED LINES !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you want to get a little hint for it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 'force lines of a magnet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel Faraday was the first one to start revealing them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by his famous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnet lines force makers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that ingenious experiment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he enabled us the first time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to literally ** see*; them/get a hint/get a new idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about that big unknown yet WORLD/'continent '''
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that was just the first only tangible experiment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indirectly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we can more than guess about it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by knowing about gravitation facts !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in which points/locations it exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in which points it does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (stronger and weaker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more dense and less dense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not at all etc. )!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =====> > TIA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =======================(:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thank you for your interest in me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are you envy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I explained things quite a few times
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it seems that you didn't follow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I asked In that ng
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is based on **observations**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bus a little need for the gray stuff in our skulls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not a good idea. Just thinking about things without reference to data is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a fool s prescription. Your description of space is not consistent with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ====================I thought once that you are at least a gentleman...
>>>>>>>>>>>> do you what to change my idea about you ??
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> who is the fool ?
>>>>>>>>>>>> that is how a real scientist talk
>>>>>>>>>>>> or a fish market merchant talk ?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>>> now genius smarty
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am going to ask you a little question :
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> we realize that there is some connection between
>>>>>>>>>>>> mass and forces
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> now my question to you as a great scalar''
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> what is more reasonable to you
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> forces are creating masses ??
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>>> masses are creating forces ??
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Neither.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>>>>>> ==================(:-) !!!
>>>>>>>>>> Neither ??
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> so I will ask it differently
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wha1
>>>>>>>>>> t is more likely :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> conglomeration of masses
>>>>>>>>>> are creating forces
>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>> conglomeration of forces
>>>>>>>>>> or any forces
>>>>>>>>>> are/is creating conglomeration of masses ??
>>>>>>>>>> =====TIA
>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>>>>>>> ======================> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You re still missing pieces. And your still living in classical Newtonian
>>>>>>>>> physics.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>>>> ==============wrong !!
>>>>>>>> you still don't get my
>>>>>>>> Y Circlon ad y circlon mechanism !!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> they circlon
>>>>>>>> is a very basic particle
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> MOVES NATURALLY IN A CURVED LINE !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> not because f en curved space
>>>>>>>> but that is how' it was born ''
>>>>>>>> ie
>>>>>>>> a new basic assumption !!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> not like Newton that claims ,movement in a straight line !!!
>>>>>>>> now you can ask:
>>>>>>>> there is still movement in a straight line
>>>>>>>> so how come ??
>>>>>>>> I say
>>>>>>>> no contradiction :
>>>>>>>> the circlon moves I n a closed o not closed circular
>>>>>>>> path
>>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>>>> its *center POINT* of movement -can move
>>>>>>>> in a straight line !!
>>>>>>>> ie
>>>>>>>> ACOMPOSITE MOVEMENT !!
>>>>>>>> difficult for a mathematician ??
>>>>>>>> but not difficult for a creative experienced mind
>>>>>>>> the through is that I didn't get it at once
>>>>>>>> it took me years of thinking
>>>>>>>> as a 3D experienced engineer
>>>>>>>> while I say
>>>>>>>> I didn't think about it all along the day...
>>>>>>>> of those years
>>>>>>>> but from time to time at my free time
>>>>>>>> if not buddy in other troubles of life &.
>>>>>>>> (that are not missing me as an old goat of 80 years
>>>>>>>> that is still walking about 8 km a day..
>>>>>>>> with his head on his shoulders (:-)
>>>>>>>> and thinking about anything in our troubles world &
>>>>>>>> yet no ne
>>>>>>>> can take away from me
>>>>>>>> my unprecedented achievements
>>>>>>>> because my good teachers thought me
>>>>>>>> DONT BE A PARROT !!!!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it is not my say
>>>>>>>> it is a say of one of my good teachers !!
>>>>>>>> and that was
>>>>>>>> how I behaved while designing
>>>>>>>> about 70 bridges (I forgot hoe many ==many of them with
>>>>>>>> unprecedented innovations !!
>>>>>>>> not only in physics
>>>>>>>> that I invested in
>>>>>>>> studying physics may years as well
>>>>>>>> including writing a book !!
>>>>>>>> including learning from people even
>>>>>>>> in that ng as well !!
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> if not clear
>>>>>>>> just ask more
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> None of the above has anything to do with your weird claim that space has
>>>>>>> no physical properties except hosting mass, a claim you have not
>>>>>>> substantiated with data.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ================("-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> substantiated with data ???
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if space is empty
>>>>>> what does it mean empty ???
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn t mean what you think it means. It means there is a volume with no
>>>>> persistent matter within it. That s all.
>>>> ========no persistent matter ?
>>>> so what else ?? absolute nothing ??
>>>
>>> Empty space is not absolute nothing. That is not what the term means. You
>>> are assigning the wrong words to it.
>>>
>>>> so
>>>> wHAT can absolute nothing - DO act
>>>> react ?????
>>>> in short as if it was not there at all !!???
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of all, human words and human definitions of those words never dictate
>>>>> to nature
>>>> --
>>>> ? so it is as if it was not said at all !!??
>>>> if so
>>>> why to say it
>>>> termine what it is by
>>>> ??
>>>
>>> I already told you. The words come AFTER observational data. The data tells
>>> you what it is, and THEN you choose right words to describe it. Not the
>>> other way around.
>>>
>>>> => observational data, and then and only then do we decide which of our human
>>>>> words we should use to describe it.
>>>>> ===better not to do it before opening our mouth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> empty is nothing
>>>>>> and no properties at all
>>>>>
>>>>> No sir. That is not what it means. Data first, then you choose the right
>>>>> words to describe what is suggested by the data.
>>>> ok
>>>> what is your data about empty space ??
>>>
>>> Not my data. Physicists’ data.
>>> Data having to do with length contraction, time dilation, frame dragging,
>>> gravitational lensing, Doppler shift, rapidity distributions, impedance of
>>> empty space, Shapiro delay, waves of empty space, and so on and on and on.
>>> Try reading.
>>>
>>>> ====
>>>>>
>>>>>> the fact that ''you ' invented properties to space
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody invented the properties of space.
>>>>
>>>> did I suggested something Those properties
>>>> of empty space
>>>> quite the opposite
>>>> that is what I say all along
>>>> JUST FORGET ABOUT EMPTY SPACE
>>>> AS HAVING ANY PRASCTICAL EANING
>>>
>>> But why forget it when it has a crucial physical role? It does no good to
>>> try to invent reasons to ignore it.
>>>
>>>> in other words
>>>>
>>>> let s forget about empty space as something that means
>>>> something to physics
>>>> and ore important
>>>> le us look for something at does !! act
>>>> and really**makes the gravitation
>>>>
>>>> DISCOVERED.
>>>>>
>>>>>> is not a prove
>>>>>> it is ''fitting facts''(manipulating ) to some thing that is nothing
>>>>>> more than a guess !!
>>>>>> 2
>>>>>> another thing to understand
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if energy is mass in motion
>>>>>
>>>>> And again you have made a mistake. That is not the correct definition of
>>>>> energy. For example, do you know the meaning of potential energy?
>>>> ==================we are not with potential energy
>>>> that is obfuscation !!!
>>>
>> ===> Potential energy is a class of energy. It also has nothing to do with mass
>> ======
>> (:-)
>>
>> please give us the dimensions of
>> potential energy ...!!
>> ==============
>>
>>> in motion. Therefore it is simply wrong to say that energy (of any class)
>>> is mass in motion.
>>> ====
>> again
>> what are the physical dimensions of energy
>> ======
>>>>
>>>> If so,
>>>>> please share your recollection of the definition of that term.
>>>> ????
>>>
>>> What is the meaning of potential energy, if you can remember it?
>>>
>>> =========
>>>>>> that motion OF MASS must be &&.RECICLED !!!!!!
>>>>>> or else &.!!!!!
>>>>>> just guess what will be then
>>>>>> (if it will not be recycled ??!!
>> =======================d
>> Bod
>> YOU DID NOT ANSWER THE ABOVE crucial QUESTION !!
>> ==============================
>>>>
>>>>>> I don't want to spoon feed t that problem/point
>>>>>> I would like to here it from you !!
>>>>>> ====TIA
>>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>>> =====================================
>>>>> ==================
>>>>
>>>
>> another question that you dint answer :
>>
>> do you know
>> that ***curved space ''
>> does not apply -to say
>> the strong forces of protons/
>> neutrons -
>> in the nucleus
>> WHY ???!!!
>> ==
>> TIA
>> Y.Porat
>> ======================
>>>
>>
>
> Potential energy is energy associated with position. It has units
> newtons*meters.
>
And the string force is a force distinct from gravitation. Completely
different.
--
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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