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Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese
Date 2018-07-10 17:45 +0000
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Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 2:14:56 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 1:09:48 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 7:19:06 AM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 6:05:15 AM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 1:17:36 AM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 4:15:50 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 1:20:04 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space has not curvature and no 'schmervature '' 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing and has no properties whatsoever 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EXCEPT - HOSTONG MASS !!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I m so happy for you that God whispered this information to you, a prophet,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that you need no experimental test to know that it is true. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while mass is the main 'hero' of physics 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it has some unknown yet 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sub particles -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -THAT MOVE 'NATURALLY' IN  CURVED LINES !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you want to get a little hint for it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 'force lines of a magnet 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel Faraday  was the first one to  start  revealing them 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by his famous 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnet lines force makers 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that  ingenious  experiment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he enabled us the first    time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to literally   ** see*; them/get a hint/get a new idea  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about that big unknown   yet  WORLD/'continent  '''
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that was just the first only tangible experiment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indirectly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we can more than guess about it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by knowing about gravitation facts !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in which  points/locations it exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in which points it does not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (stronger and weaker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more dense and less dense 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not at all    etc. )! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =====> > TIA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================    
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =======================(:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thank you for your interest in me 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are you envy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I explained things quite a few times 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it seems that you didn't follow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I asked In that ng
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is based on **observations** 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bus a little need for the gray stuff in our skulls 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not a good idea. Just  thinking about things  without reference to data is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a fool s prescription. Your description of space is not consistent with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> data. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ====================I thought  once that you are at least a gentleman... 
>>>>>>>>>>>> do you what to change my idea about you ??
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> who is the fool ?
>>>>>>>>>>>> that is how a  real scientist    talk
>>>>>>>>>>>> or a fish market merchant talk ?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>>> now  genius smarty
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am going to ask you a little question :
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> we realize that there is some connection between 
>>>>>>>>>>>> mass and forces 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> now my question to you as a great scalar''
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> what is more reasonable to you 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> forces are creating masses ??
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>>> masses are creating forces ??
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Neither. 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>>>>>> ==================(:-)   !!!
>>>>>>>>>> Neither ??
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> so I will ask it differently
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> wha1
>>>>>>>>>> t is more likely :
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> conglomeration of masses
>>>>>>>>>> are creating forces
>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>> conglomeration of forces 
>>>>>>>>>> or any forces
>>>>>>>>>> are/is creating conglomeration of masses ??
>>>>>>>>>> =====TIA
>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>>>>>>> ======================> > 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You re still missing pieces. And your still living in classical Newtonian
>>>>>>>>> physics. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>>>> ==============wrong !!
>>>>>>>> you still don't get my 
>>>>>>>> Y  Circlon ad y circlon mechanism !!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> they circlon
>>>>>>>> is a very  basic  particle 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> MOVES NATURALLY IN A CURVED LINE !
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> not because f en curved space
>>>>>>>> but that is how' it was born ''
>>>>>>>> ie
>>>>>>>> a new basic assumption !!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> not like Newton that claims ,movement in a straight line !!!
>>>>>>>> now you can ask:
>>>>>>>> there is still movement  in a straight line 
>>>>>>>> so how come ??
>>>>>>>> I say
>>>>>>>> no   contradiction :
>>>>>>>> the circlon moves I n a closed o not closed circular
>>>>>>>> path  
>>>>>>>> yet 
>>>>>>>> its *center  POINT*  of movement -can move
>>>>>>>> in a straight line !!
>>>>>>>> ie 
>>>>>>>> ACOMPOSITE MOVEMENT !!
>>>>>>>> difficult for a mathematician  ??
>>>>>>>> but not difficult for a creative experienced mind
>>>>>>>> the through is that I didn't get it at once 
>>>>>>>> it took me years of thinking 
>>>>>>>> as a 3D experienced engineer 
>>>>>>>> while I say
>>>>>>>> I didn't think about it all along the day... 
>>>>>>>> of those years 
>>>>>>>> but from time to time at my free time 
>>>>>>>> if not buddy in other troubles of life &.
>>>>>>>> (that are not missing me  as an old goat of 80 years
>>>>>>>> that  is still walking about 8 km a day..
>>>>>>>> with his head on his shoulders (:-)
>>>>>>>> and thinking about anything in our troubles world &
>>>>>>>> yet no ne
>>>>>>>> can take away from me
>>>>>>>> my unprecedented achievements
>>>>>>>> because    my good  teachers thought me 
>>>>>>>> DONT BE A PARROT !!!!!!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> it is not my say
>>>>>>>> it is a say of one of my good teachers !!
>>>>>>>> and that was 
>>>>>>>> how I behaved while designing
>>>>>>>> about 70 bridges (I  forgot hoe many ==many of them with 
>>>>>>>> unprecedented innovations !!
>>>>>>>> not  only in physics
>>>>>>>> that I invested in 
>>>>>>>> studying physics may years as well
>>>>>>>> including writing a book !!
>>>>>>>> including learning from   people even 
>>>>>>>> in that ng as well !!
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> if not clear
>>>>>>>> just ask more 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> None of the above has anything to do with your weird claim that space has
>>>>>>> no physical properties except hosting mass, a claim you have not
>>>>>>> substantiated with data. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ================("-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> substantiated with   data ???
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> if space is empty 
>>>>>> what does it mean empty ???
>>>>> 
>>>>> It doesn t mean what you think it means. It means there is a volume with no
>>>>> persistent matter within it. That s all.
>>>> ========no persistent matter ?
>>>> so what else ?? absolute  nothing ?? 
>>> 
>>> Empty space is not absolute nothing. That is not what the term means. You
>>> are assigning the wrong words to it. 
>>> 
>>>> so
>>>> wHAT  can absolute nothing - DO act
>>>> react ?????
>>>> in short as if it was not there  at all !!???
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Most of all, human words and human definitions of those words never dictate
>>>>> to nature
>>>> --
>>>> ? so it is as if it was not said at all !!??
>>>> if so
>>>> why to say  it
>>>> termine what it is by
>>>> ??
>>> 
>>> I already told you. The words come AFTER observational data. The data tells
>>> you what it is, and THEN you choose right words to describe it. Not the
>>> other way around. 
>>> 
>>>> => observational data, and then and only then do we decide which of our human
>>>>> words we should use to describe it. 
>>>>> ===better  not to  do it  before opening our mouth 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> empty is nothing
>>>>>> and no properties at all
>>>>> 
>>>>> No sir. That is not what it means. Data first, then you choose the right
>>>>> words to describe what is suggested by the data.
>>>> ok
>>>> what is your data about empty space ??
>>> 
>>> Not my data. Physicists’ data. 
>>> Data having to do with length contraction, time dilation, frame dragging,
>>> gravitational lensing, Doppler shift, rapidity distributions, impedance of
>>> empty space, Shapiro delay, waves of empty space, and so on and on and on.
>>> Try reading. 
>>> 
>>>> ==== 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> the fact that ''you ' invented properties to space 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nobody invented the properties of space.
>>>> 
>>>> did I suggested something Those properties 
>>>> of empty space 
>>>> quite the opposite 
>>>> that is what I say all along
>>>> JUST FORGET ABOUT EMPTY SPACE 
>>>> AS HAVING ANY PRASCTICAL EANING 
>>> 
>>> But why forget it when it has a crucial physical role? It does no good to
>>> try to invent reasons to ignore it. 
>>> 
>>>> in other words 
>>>> 
>>>> let s forget about empty space as something that means 
>>>> something to physics 
>>>> and ore important
>>>> le us look for something at does !! act 
>>>> and  really**makes  the gravitation 
>>>> 
>>>> DISCOVERED. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> is not a prove 
>>>>>> it is ''fitting facts''(manipulating ) to  some thing  that is nothing
>>>>>> more than a guess !!
>>>>>> 2
>>>>>> another thing to  understand 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> if energy is mass in motion
>>>>> 
>>>>> And again you have made a mistake. That is not the correct definition of
>>>>> energy. For example, do you know the meaning of potential energy?
>>>> ==================we are not  with potential energy 
>>>> that is obfuscation !!!
>>> 
>> ===> Potential energy is a class of energy. It also has nothing to do with mass
>> ======
>> (:-)
>> 
>> please give us the dimensions of 
>> potential energy ...!!
>> ==============
>> 
>>> in motion. Therefore it is simply wrong to say that energy (of any class)
>>> is mass in motion. 
>>> ====
>> again 
>> what are the  physical dimensions  of energy 
>> ======
>>>> 
>>>> If so,
>>>>> please share your recollection of the definition of that term. 
>>>> ????
>>> 
>>> What is the meaning of potential energy, if you can remember it?
>>> 
>>> =========
>>>>>> that motion  OF MASS  must be &&.RECICLED !!!!!!
>>>>>> or else &.!!!!!
>>>>>> just guess  what will be then
>>>>>> (if it will not be recycled ??!!
>> =======================d
>> Bod
>> YOU DID NOT  ANSWER THE ABOVE  crucial  QUESTION  !!
>> ==============================
>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't want to spoon feed t that problem/point 
>>>>>> I would like to  here it from you !!
>>>>>> ====TIA
>>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>>> ===================================== 
>>>>> ==================
>>>> 
>>> 
>> another question that you dint answer :
>> 
>> do you know
>> that ***curved space ''
>> does   not apply -to say 
>> the strong forces of protons/
>> neutrons - 
>> in the nucleus 
>> WHY ???!!!
>> ==
>> TIA
>> Y.Porat
>> ======================
>>> 
>> 
> 
> Potential energy is energy associated with position. It has units
> newtons*meters. 
> 

And the string force is a force distinct from gravitation. Completely
different. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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SPACE IS NOT CURVED  AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 23:08 -0700
  Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 10:20 +0000
    Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 06:03 -0700
      Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 13:15 +0000
        Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 10:09 -0700
          Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 22:17 +0000
            Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 15:36 -0700
              Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 16:43 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 16:47 -0700
              Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-11 10:54 -0500
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 09:32 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 21:59 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 23:48 -0700
            Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 16:38 -0700
              Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 17:24 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 18:20 -0700
              Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 03:05 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 21:00 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 04:19 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 00:50 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 02:22 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 10:09 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 03:58 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 11:14 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 07:59 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 17:43 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 17:45 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 12:33 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 16:23 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 23:29 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 16:50 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 18:18 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 03:36 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 23:48 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 00:17 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 09:39 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 09:39 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 05:42 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 12:51 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 08:25 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Rod Chesterson <invalid@example.com> - 2018-07-11 21:21 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 21:48 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 03:36 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 16:37 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 03:36 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Dave Smith <invalid@example.com> - 2018-07-10 07:22 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 07:46 -0700

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