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Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese
Date 2018-07-10 17:43 +0000
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<poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 2:14:56 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 1:09:48 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 7:19:06 AM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 6:05:15 AM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 1:17:36 AM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 4:15:50 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 1:20:04 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space has not curvature and no 'schmervature '' 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing and has no properties whatsoever 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EXCEPT - HOSTONG MASS !!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I m so happy for you that God whispered this information to you, a prophet,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that you need no experimental test to know that it is true. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while mass is the main 'hero' of physics 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it has some unknown yet 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sub particles -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -THAT MOVE 'NATURALLY' IN  CURVED LINES !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you want to get a little hint for it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 'force lines of a magnet 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel Faraday  was the first one to  start  revealing them 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by his famous 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnet lines force makers 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that  ingenious  experiment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he enabled us the first    time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to literally   ** see*; them/get a hint/get a new idea  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about that big unknown   yet  WORLD/'continent  '''
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that was just the first only tangible experiment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indirectly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we can more than guess about it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by knowing about gravitation facts !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in which  points/locations it exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in which points it does not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (stronger and weaker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more dense and less dense 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not at all    etc. )! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =====> > TIA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================    
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =======================(:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thank you for your interest in me 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are you envy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I explained things quite a few times 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it seems that you didn't follow
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I asked In that ng
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a question
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is based on **observations** 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bus a little need for the gray stuff in our skulls 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not a good idea. Just  thinking about things  without reference to data is
>>>>>>>>>>>> a fool s prescription. Your description of space is not consistent with
>>>>>>>>>>>> data. 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ====================I thought  once that you are at least a gentleman... 
>>>>>>>>>>> do you what to change my idea about you ??
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> who is the fool ?
>>>>>>>>>>> that is how a  real scientist    talk
>>>>>>>>>>> or a fish market merchant talk ?
>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>> now  genius smarty
>>>>>>>>>>> I am going to ask you a little question :
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> we realize that there is some connection between 
>>>>>>>>>>> mass and forces 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> now my question to you as a great scalar''
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> what is more reasonable to you 
>>>>>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>>>>>> forces are creating masses ??
>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>> masses are creating forces ??
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Neither. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>>>>> ==================(:-)   !!!
>>>>>>>>> Neither ??
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> so I will ask it differently
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> wha1
>>>>>>>>> t is more likely :
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> conglomeration of masses
>>>>>>>>> are creating forces
>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>> conglomeration of forces 
>>>>>>>>> or any forces
>>>>>>>>> are/is creating conglomeration of masses ??
>>>>>>>>> =====TIA
>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>>>>>> ======================> > 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You re still missing pieces. And your still living in classical Newtonian
>>>>>>>> physics. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>>> ==============wrong !!
>>>>>>> you still don't get my 
>>>>>>> Y  Circlon ad y circlon mechanism !!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> they circlon
>>>>>>> is a very  basic  particle 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> MOVES NATURALLY IN A CURVED LINE !
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> not because f en curved space
>>>>>>> but that is how' it was born ''
>>>>>>> ie
>>>>>>> a new basic assumption !!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> not like Newton that claims ,movement in a straight line !!!
>>>>>>> now you can ask:
>>>>>>> there is still movement  in a straight line 
>>>>>>> so how come ??
>>>>>>> I say
>>>>>>> no   contradiction :
>>>>>>> the circlon moves I n a closed o not closed circular
>>>>>>> path  
>>>>>>> yet 
>>>>>>> its *center  POINT*  of movement -can move
>>>>>>> in a straight line !!
>>>>>>> ie 
>>>>>>> ACOMPOSITE MOVEMENT !!
>>>>>>> difficult for a mathematician  ??
>>>>>>> but not difficult for a creative experienced mind
>>>>>>> the through is that I didn't get it at once 
>>>>>>> it took me years of thinking 
>>>>>>> as a 3D experienced engineer 
>>>>>>> while I say
>>>>>>> I didn't think about it all along the day... 
>>>>>>> of those years 
>>>>>>> but from time to time at my free time 
>>>>>>> if not buddy in other troubles of life &.
>>>>>>> (that are not missing me  as an old goat of 80 years
>>>>>>> that  is still walking about 8 km a day..
>>>>>>> with his head on his shoulders (:-)
>>>>>>> and thinking about anything in our troubles world &
>>>>>>> yet no ne
>>>>>>> can take away from me
>>>>>>> my unprecedented achievements
>>>>>>> because    my good  teachers thought me 
>>>>>>> DONT BE A PARROT !!!!!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> it is not my say
>>>>>>> it is a say of one of my good teachers !!
>>>>>>> and that was 
>>>>>>> how I behaved while designing
>>>>>>> about 70 bridges (I  forgot hoe many ==many of them with 
>>>>>>> unprecedented innovations !!
>>>>>>> not  only in physics
>>>>>>> that I invested in 
>>>>>>> studying physics may years as well
>>>>>>> including writing a book !!
>>>>>>> including learning from   people even 
>>>>>>> in that ng as well !!
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> if not clear
>>>>>>> just ask more 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> None of the above has anything to do with your weird claim that space has
>>>>>> no physical properties except hosting mass, a claim you have not
>>>>>> substantiated with data. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ================("-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> substantiated with   data ???
>>>> 
>>>> Yes. 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> if space is empty 
>>>>> what does it mean empty ???
>>>> 
>>>> It doesn t mean what you think it means. It means there is a volume with no
>>>> persistent matter within it. That s all.
>>> ========no persistent matter ?
>>> so what else ?? absolute  nothing ?? 
>> 
>> Empty space is not absolute nothing. That is not what the term means. You
>> are assigning the wrong words to it. 
>> 
>>> so
>>> wHAT  can absolute nothing - DO act
>>> react ?????
>>> in short as if it was not there  at all !!???
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Most of all, human words and human definitions of those words never dictate
>>>> to nature
>>> --
>>> ? so it is as if it was not said at all !!??
>>> if so
>>> why to say  it
>>> termine what it is by
>>> ??
>> 
>> I already told you. The words come AFTER observational data. The data tells
>> you what it is, and THEN you choose right words to describe it. Not the
>> other way around. 
>> 
>>> => observational data, and then and only then do we decide which of our human
>>>> words we should use to describe it. 
>>>> ===better  not to  do it  before opening our mouth 
>>>>> 
>>>>> empty is nothing
>>>>> and no properties at all
>>>> 
>>>> No sir. That is not what it means. Data first, then you choose the right
>>>> words to describe what is suggested by the data.
>>> ok
>>> what is your data about empty space ??
>> 
>> Not my data. Physicists’ data. 
>> Data having to do with length contraction, time dilation, frame dragging,
>> gravitational lensing, Doppler shift, rapidity distributions, impedance of
>> empty space, Shapiro delay, waves of empty space, and so on and on and on.
>> Try reading. 
>> 
>>> ==== 
>>>> 
>>>>> the fact that ''you ' invented properties to space 
>>>> 
>>>> Nobody invented the properties of space.
>>> 
>>> did I suggested something Those properties 
>>> of empty space 
>>> quite the opposite 
>>> that is what I say all along
>>> JUST FORGET ABOUT EMPTY SPACE 
>>> AS HAVING ANY PRASCTICAL EANING 
>> 
>> But why forget it when it has a crucial physical role? It does no good to
>> try to invent reasons to ignore it. 
>> 
>>> in other words 
>>> 
>>> let s forget about empty space as something that means 
>>> something to physics 
>>> and ore important
>>> le us look for something at does !! act 
>>> and  really**makes  the gravitation 
>>> 
>>> DISCOVERED. 
>>>> 
>>>>> is not a prove 
>>>>> it is ''fitting facts''(manipulating ) to  some thing  that is nothing
>>>>> more than a guess !!
>>>>> 2
>>>>> another thing to  understand 
>>>>> 
>>>>> if energy is mass in motion
>>>> 
>>>> And again you have made a mistake. That is not the correct definition of
>>>> energy. For example, do you know the meaning of potential energy?
>>> ==================we are not  with potential energy 
>>> that is obfuscation !!!
>> 
> ===> Potential energy is a class of energy. It also has nothing to do with mass
> ======
> (:-)
> 
> please give us the dimensions of 
> potential energy ...!!
> ==============
> 
>> in motion. Therefore it is simply wrong to say that energy (of any class)
>> is mass in motion. 
>> ====
> again 
> what are the  physical dimensions  of energy 
> ======
>>> 
>>> If so,
>>>> please share your recollection of the definition of that term. 
>>> ????
>> 
>> What is the meaning of potential energy, if you can remember it?
>> 
>> =========
>>>>> that motion  OF MASS  must be &&.RECICLED !!!!!!
>>>>> or else &.!!!!!
>>>>> just guess  what will be then
>>>>> (if it will not be recycled ??!!
> =======================d
> Bod
> YOU DID NOT  ANSWER THE ABOVE  crucial  QUESTION  !!
> ==============================
>>> 
>>>>> I don't want to spoon feed t that problem/point 
>>>>> I would like to  here it from you !!
>>>>> ====TIA
>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>> ===================================== 
>>>> ==================
>>> 
>> 
> another question that you dint answer :
> 
> do you know
> that ***curved space ''
> does   not apply -to say 
> the strong forces of protons/
> neutrons - 
> in the nucleus 
> WHY ???!!!
> ==
> TIA
> Y.Porat
> ======================
>> 
> 

Potential energy is energy associated with position. It has units
newtons*meters. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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SPACE IS NOT CURVED  AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 23:08 -0700
  Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 10:20 +0000
    Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 06:03 -0700
      Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 13:15 +0000
        Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 10:09 -0700
          Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 22:17 +0000
            Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 15:36 -0700
              Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 16:43 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 16:47 -0700
              Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-11 10:54 -0500
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 09:32 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 21:59 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 23:48 -0700
            Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 16:38 -0700
              Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 17:24 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 18:20 -0700
              Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 03:05 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 21:00 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 04:19 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 00:50 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 02:22 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 10:09 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 03:58 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 11:14 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 07:59 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 17:43 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 17:45 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 12:33 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 16:23 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 23:29 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 16:50 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 18:18 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 03:36 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 23:48 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 00:17 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 09:39 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 09:39 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 05:42 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 12:51 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 08:25 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Rod Chesterson <invalid@example.com> - 2018-07-11 21:21 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 21:48 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 03:36 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 16:37 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 03:36 +0000
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese Dave Smith <invalid@example.com> - 2018-07-10 07:22 -0700
                Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 07:46 -0700

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