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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese |
| Date | 2018-07-10 17:43 +0000 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <pi2r74$1rl5$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
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<poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 2:14:56 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 1:09:48 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 7:19:06 AM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 6:05:15 AM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 1:17:36 AM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 4:15:50 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 1:20:04 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <poraty6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space has not curvature and no 'schmervature ''
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing and has no properties whatsoever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EXCEPT - HOSTONG MASS !!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I m so happy for you that God whispered this information to you, a prophet,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that you need no experimental test to know that it is true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while mass is the main 'hero' of physics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it has some unknown yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sub particles -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -THAT MOVE 'NATURALLY' IN CURVED LINES !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you want to get a little hint for it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 'force lines of a magnet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel Faraday was the first one to start revealing them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by his famous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnet lines force makers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that ingenious experiment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he enabled us the first time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to literally ** see*; them/get a hint/get a new idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about that big unknown yet WORLD/'continent '''
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that was just the first only tangible experiment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indirectly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we can more than guess about it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by knowing about gravitation facts !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in which points/locations it exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in which points it does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (stronger and weaker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more dense and less dense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not at all etc. )!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =====> > TIA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =======================(:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thank you for your interest in me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are you envy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I explained things quite a few times
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it seems that you didn't follow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I asked In that ng
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a question
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is based on **observations**
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bus a little need for the gray stuff in our skulls
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not a good idea. Just thinking about things without reference to data is
>>>>>>>>>>>> a fool s prescription. Your description of space is not consistent with
>>>>>>>>>>>> data.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ====================I thought once that you are at least a gentleman...
>>>>>>>>>>> do you what to change my idea about you ??
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> who is the fool ?
>>>>>>>>>>> that is how a real scientist talk
>>>>>>>>>>> or a fish market merchant talk ?
>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>> now genius smarty
>>>>>>>>>>> I am going to ask you a little question :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> we realize that there is some connection between
>>>>>>>>>>> mass and forces
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> now my question to you as a great scalar''
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> what is more reasonable to you
>>>>>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>>>>>> forces are creating masses ??
>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>> masses are creating forces ??
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Neither.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>>>>> ==================(:-) !!!
>>>>>>>>> Neither ??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> so I will ask it differently
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wha1
>>>>>>>>> t is more likely :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> conglomeration of masses
>>>>>>>>> are creating forces
>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>> conglomeration of forces
>>>>>>>>> or any forces
>>>>>>>>> are/is creating conglomeration of masses ??
>>>>>>>>> =====TIA
>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>>>>>> ======================> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You re still missing pieces. And your still living in classical Newtonian
>>>>>>>> physics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>>> ==============wrong !!
>>>>>>> you still don't get my
>>>>>>> Y Circlon ad y circlon mechanism !!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> they circlon
>>>>>>> is a very basic particle
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> MOVES NATURALLY IN A CURVED LINE !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not because f en curved space
>>>>>>> but that is how' it was born ''
>>>>>>> ie
>>>>>>> a new basic assumption !!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not like Newton that claims ,movement in a straight line !!!
>>>>>>> now you can ask:
>>>>>>> there is still movement in a straight line
>>>>>>> so how come ??
>>>>>>> I say
>>>>>>> no contradiction :
>>>>>>> the circlon moves I n a closed o not closed circular
>>>>>>> path
>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>>> its *center POINT* of movement -can move
>>>>>>> in a straight line !!
>>>>>>> ie
>>>>>>> ACOMPOSITE MOVEMENT !!
>>>>>>> difficult for a mathematician ??
>>>>>>> but not difficult for a creative experienced mind
>>>>>>> the through is that I didn't get it at once
>>>>>>> it took me years of thinking
>>>>>>> as a 3D experienced engineer
>>>>>>> while I say
>>>>>>> I didn't think about it all along the day...
>>>>>>> of those years
>>>>>>> but from time to time at my free time
>>>>>>> if not buddy in other troubles of life &.
>>>>>>> (that are not missing me as an old goat of 80 years
>>>>>>> that is still walking about 8 km a day..
>>>>>>> with his head on his shoulders (:-)
>>>>>>> and thinking about anything in our troubles world &
>>>>>>> yet no ne
>>>>>>> can take away from me
>>>>>>> my unprecedented achievements
>>>>>>> because my good teachers thought me
>>>>>>> DONT BE A PARROT !!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it is not my say
>>>>>>> it is a say of one of my good teachers !!
>>>>>>> and that was
>>>>>>> how I behaved while designing
>>>>>>> about 70 bridges (I forgot hoe many ==many of them with
>>>>>>> unprecedented innovations !!
>>>>>>> not only in physics
>>>>>>> that I invested in
>>>>>>> studying physics may years as well
>>>>>>> including writing a book !!
>>>>>>> including learning from people even
>>>>>>> in that ng as well !!
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> if not clear
>>>>>>> just ask more
>>>>>>
>>>>>> None of the above has anything to do with your weird claim that space has
>>>>>> no physical properties except hosting mass, a claim you have not
>>>>>> substantiated with data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ================("-)
>>>>>
>>>>> substantiated with data ???
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> if space is empty
>>>>> what does it mean empty ???
>>>>
>>>> It doesn t mean what you think it means. It means there is a volume with no
>>>> persistent matter within it. That s all.
>>> ========no persistent matter ?
>>> so what else ?? absolute nothing ??
>>
>> Empty space is not absolute nothing. That is not what the term means. You
>> are assigning the wrong words to it.
>>
>>> so
>>> wHAT can absolute nothing - DO act
>>> react ?????
>>> in short as if it was not there at all !!???
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Most of all, human words and human definitions of those words never dictate
>>>> to nature
>>> --
>>> ? so it is as if it was not said at all !!??
>>> if so
>>> why to say it
>>> termine what it is by
>>> ??
>>
>> I already told you. The words come AFTER observational data. The data tells
>> you what it is, and THEN you choose right words to describe it. Not the
>> other way around.
>>
>>> => observational data, and then and only then do we decide which of our human
>>>> words we should use to describe it.
>>>> ===better not to do it before opening our mouth
>>>>>
>>>>> empty is nothing
>>>>> and no properties at all
>>>>
>>>> No sir. That is not what it means. Data first, then you choose the right
>>>> words to describe what is suggested by the data.
>>> ok
>>> what is your data about empty space ??
>>
>> Not my data. Physicists’ data.
>> Data having to do with length contraction, time dilation, frame dragging,
>> gravitational lensing, Doppler shift, rapidity distributions, impedance of
>> empty space, Shapiro delay, waves of empty space, and so on and on and on.
>> Try reading.
>>
>>> ====
>>>>
>>>>> the fact that ''you ' invented properties to space
>>>>
>>>> Nobody invented the properties of space.
>>>
>>> did I suggested something Those properties
>>> of empty space
>>> quite the opposite
>>> that is what I say all along
>>> JUST FORGET ABOUT EMPTY SPACE
>>> AS HAVING ANY PRASCTICAL EANING
>>
>> But why forget it when it has a crucial physical role? It does no good to
>> try to invent reasons to ignore it.
>>
>>> in other words
>>>
>>> let s forget about empty space as something that means
>>> something to physics
>>> and ore important
>>> le us look for something at does !! act
>>> and really**makes the gravitation
>>>
>>> DISCOVERED.
>>>>
>>>>> is not a prove
>>>>> it is ''fitting facts''(manipulating ) to some thing that is nothing
>>>>> more than a guess !!
>>>>> 2
>>>>> another thing to understand
>>>>>
>>>>> if energy is mass in motion
>>>>
>>>> And again you have made a mistake. That is not the correct definition of
>>>> energy. For example, do you know the meaning of potential energy?
>>> ==================we are not with potential energy
>>> that is obfuscation !!!
>>
> ===> Potential energy is a class of energy. It also has nothing to do with mass
> ======
> (:-)
>
> please give us the dimensions of
> potential energy ...!!
> ==============
>
>> in motion. Therefore it is simply wrong to say that energy (of any class)
>> is mass in motion.
>> ====
> again
> what are the physical dimensions of energy
> ======
>>>
>>> If so,
>>>> please share your recollection of the definition of that term.
>>> ????
>>
>> What is the meaning of potential energy, if you can remember it?
>>
>> =========
>>>>> that motion OF MASS must be &&.RECICLED !!!!!!
>>>>> or else &.!!!!!
>>>>> just guess what will be then
>>>>> (if it will not be recycled ??!!
> =======================d
> Bod
> YOU DID NOT ANSWER THE ABOVE crucial QUESTION !!
> ==============================
>>>
>>>>> I don't want to spoon feed t that problem/point
>>>>> I would like to here it from you !!
>>>>> ====TIA
>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>> =====================================
>>>> ==================
>>>
>>
> another question that you dint answer :
>
> do you know
> that ***curved space ''
> does not apply -to say
> the strong forces of protons/
> neutrons -
> in the nucleus
> WHY ???!!!
> ==
> TIA
> Y.Porat
> ======================
>>
>
Potential energy is energy associated with position. It has units
newtons*meters.
--
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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SPACE IS NOT CURVED AND NOT ..there is something elese poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 23:08 -0700
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