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Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?
Date	2018-06-28 16:09 +0000
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 10:31:21 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, June 27, 2018 at 10:40:07 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 10:29:22 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 4:44:44 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 10:07:35 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 9:17:56 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 10:33:47 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 12:12:03 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 8:59:37 AM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey moron, why the CF force is not real when I can feel it? BTW what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the reason for claiming that the CF force is not real and only the CP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> force is real. BTW your fanatical religious explanation--that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> textbooks say so--is not acceptable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you take a look at Paul's demo, you will see that "centrifugal force"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOES NOT BEHAVE AT ALL LIKE A TRUE FORCE in directions other than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an object straight down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://paulba.no/Spaceship.html 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You may need to install the Java Runtime on your computer, if you don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have it already.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://java.com/en/download/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And Ken, in plainer language that doesn’t involve skills you obviously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don’t have, the main lesson is that when you say you feel the centrifugal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> force, that is in fact a trick of the mind and is wrong. This and other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples are discussed in the basic textbooks that you have chosen not to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read. Here are similar examples, all discussed in basic books, and all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> erroneous illusions. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moron, what I feel is real. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well just keep telling yourself that and keep saying every book in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet is wrong if it disagrees with your personal common sense. I love it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you do that. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moron and uneducated woodworker, no matter what book or who claims
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.....the idea that there is no CF acceleration is  completely wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that, Ken, is why you have lost the ability to think and to learn. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t matter to you if the entire world says you’re wrong, you say you’re
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right. You cannot EVER accept the idea you might just be mistaken. It’s a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> character flaw, and a deep and crippling one. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No moron, current physics is liken a cult and ODD is a devoted cult
>>>>>>>>>>>>> member. What the teachings of the cult are the absolute truth and cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be challenged. There is no centrifugal force (centrifugal acceleration)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is an example of such cult teaching. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I refuse to accept such cult teachings because:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. I can feel the CF force every time I take a ride in the amusement park.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. There are thousands of applications using the concept of CF
>>>>>>>>>>>>> force.....for example: centrifuges to separate material of different
>>>>>>>>>>>>> densities, gas centrifuges to separate U 235 from U 238....etc. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. I am a rational human being....not a physics cult member. Therefore, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don’t believe in such cult teaching.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. I asked cult member ODD to explain why that there is no centrifugal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> force (acceleration)....no explanation was provided.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Ken, you say that because you are a thinking human being with sensory
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience, you have no need to learn even basics physics, even if the
>>>>>>>>>>>> conclusions you draw from your thinking and experience are dead wrong. 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Moron, my experiences are not wrong. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes they ARE. This is SPECIFICALLY why these examples are called out in
>>>>>>>>>> textbooks, as I mentioned. Because the way people describe their sensations
>>>>>>>>>> is WRONG and does not match the real explanation. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Deny these hundreds of textbooks until the day you die. Insist that your
>>>>>>>>>> experience is right until the day you die. You are all alone, claiming that
>>>>>>>>>> the books are all wrong about these simple explanations. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> When I am on a Merry-go-Round it is trying to throw me of it and I do
>>>>>>>>>>> feel the centrifugal motion. It is you and your SR fanatics who failed to
>>>>>>>>>>> understand the fundamental of physics. Also you failed to remember that
>>>>>>>>>>> if your theory contradicts observations or experience 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> There is NOTHING in science that says if a theory runs counter to everyday
>>>>>>>>>> experience then it is wrong. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The assertion that there is no CF force not only runs counter to everyday
>>>>>>>>> experience. It also runs against actual experiments.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> No it does not. The only thing that varies is the explanation of what
>>>>>>>> caused the results. Newtonian physics (without CF) explains all the
>>>>>>>> observable results in the experiments you have in mind. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> As an illustration of this, designers of centrifuges explain their
>>>>>>>> operation completely without invoking centrifugal force. Therefore the
>>>>>>>> assertion that there is no real CF is NOT counter to the operational
>>>>>>>> principles, as the explanation does not require it. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Here’s Beckman’s description of a centrifuge operation:
>>>>>>> "We believe you’ll be a better centrifuge operator if you understand why
>>>>>>> separations can be made using centrifugal force. You should always
>>>>>>> reference your user manual for directions on how to operate the
>>>>>>> centrifuge in your lab.”
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It appears that you made unsupported assertion as always. You are a dick-head.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ken, your research skills are astoundingly bad. 
>>>>>> Here’s something simple for you. 
>>>>>> https://www.explainthatstuff.com/centrifuges.html
>>>>>> Where it says the following:
>>>>>> ————————
>>>>>> In popular books and magazines, people talk about something called
>>>>>> centrifugal force: the force that seems to make things shoot outward when
>>>>>> they go round in a circle. So, when a bus goes around a bend at high speed,
>>>>>> you'll read that it's centrifugal force trying to tip the thing over. When
>>>>>> your clothes are spinning in the drum, it's centrifugal force that throws
>>>>>> the water out through the little holes so your washing ends up much drier.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Or is it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Science teachers will tell you this is wrong: there is actually no such
>>>>>> thing as centrifugal force. We can understand what's really happening by
>>>>>> considering Isaac Newton's famous laws of motion. When a car begins to
>>>>>> enter a bend, its natural tendency is to keep going in a straight line—and
>>>>>> it will do so unless a force acts on it. When it follows the bend, it does
>>>>>> so because there's a force (called centripetal force) constantly tugging it
>>>>>> inward from its straight line course. What we see as the centrifugal force
>>>>>> is really the car's tendency to go straight, if left to its own devices.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anytime you're watching something turning round a curve and you're
>>>>>> wondering about centrifugal force, you can quietly translate what you're
>>>>>> seeing into centripetal force. So "centrifugal force gets your washing dry
>>>>>> because it makes the water fly out" becomes "Centripetal force between your
>>>>>> clothes and the inside of the drum pushes them around in a circle. There's
>>>>>> nothing to give the water the same kind of push because it can slip
>>>>>> straight through the drum holes. The clothes experience centripetal force,
>>>>>> the water doesn't. The clothes go round in a circle, the water goes in a
>>>>>> straight line—straight through the holes. And that's what gets your washing
>>>>>> dry.”
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is simply not truth.  
>>>> 
>>>> Again, I will point out that, as you are uneducated in physics, it is
>>>> foolishly arrogant for you to insist that the educated experts are all
>>>> wrong. It’s a really stupid thing for you to do, Ken, and I’m not surprised
>>>> that nobody takes you seriously. 
>>> 
>>> You are uneducated in new physics. 
>> 
>> Nobody in history has made a sizable contribution to physics while being
>> completely uneducated in physics. Nobody. 
> 
> It is you who is uneducated in physics especially in new physics. 
>  
>> And if you are going to claim to be the first person in history to make a
>> contribution to physics while being completely uneducated in physics, then
>> you are both insane an uneducable. 
> 
> Yes I am the first in history to come up with a new theory of gravity
> that enabled me to unify all the forces of nature. You are a fanatic cult
> member of SR/GR and reject any new idea. <Sad>

You are claiming to be the first to come up with a unified theory of all
forces of nature while being WHOLLY UNEDUCATED in physics. 

This is insanity, pure and simple, Ken. 

And to compound it, you’re saying that anyone who pays no attention to you
(uneducated and insane) is a fanatic cult member. So you think that people
who are uneducated and insane should be paid attention to?


> 
>> 
>>> There is no CP force exists on the clothes and the water in the clothes
>>> in  a washing machine. There is only the CF force. 
>> 
>> As I said, you are uneducable. 
>> 
>>> Gravity between the earth and the moon:
>>> 1.  there exists an attractive EM force because they are expanding in the
>>> same direction in the E-Matrix.
>>> 2. the earth and the moon are confined to follow the divergent structure
>>> of the E-Matrix, this gives rise to a repulsive force between them.
>>> 3. gravity between them is the sum of the above opposing forces. That’s
>>> why the moon is able to maintain a stable orbit. Without the repulsive
>>> force the moon will simply crash into the earth.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> The clothes and water in the clothes experience the centrifugal force,
>>>>> the washer tub prevents the clothes from going through the holes in the
>>>>> tub whereas the water is able to go though the holes and that’s what gets
>>>>> the washing dry. Learn some real physics instead of making assertions.
>>>>> The centripetal force does not involve in this drying process....IOW the
>>>>> CP force is a fictitious force.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Confused? Don't be! It's this simple: if something is moving in a circle,
>>>>>> there must be a force acting on it somewhere to make it turn, otherwise it
>>>>>> would go in a straight line. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, the CF force make it turn and the result is driving the water out of the clothes.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> So look at the situation carefully and figure
>>>>>> out where the inward pushing or pulling force is coming from. That's the
>>>>>> centripetal force. If some part of the object is flying outward, that's not
>>>>>> because there's centrifugal force: it's because there's no centripetal
>>>>>> force to make it go in a circle.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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