Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist

From	Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.checkmate, sci.physics, talk.politics.guns
Subject	Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist
Date	2018-06-18 20:05 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 11:41:13 -0700, Checkmate wrote:

> Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
> Checkmate!  In article <pg8jmu$12k7$2@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01
> @gmail.nospam.invalid says...
> 
> 
>> Subject: Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change
>> Optimist From: kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid>
>> Newsgroups: sci.physics, talk.politics.guns, alt.checkmate
>> 
>> On 6/18/2018 11:14 AM, benj wrote:
>> > The following is also unquestionably true: Civilization runs today,
>> > post-industrial revolution, on energy. To attempt to cut off that
>> > energy supply for some pie in the sky reasons will destroy current
>> > civilization with the most dire of consequences for humanity.
>> > 
>> > The ONLY long-term solution is the invention of some new viable
>> > energy source.
>> 
>> If you'd bothered to actually *read* the article you are foaming about,
>> you'd know that it *has* been invented. It's called wind and solar
>> power with storage, ko0ky.
> 
> What the author appeared to be saying, although it was a little tedious
> wading through all the catch phrases and buzzwords that some people have
> gravitated towards using in place of simple English, is that simple
> economic market pressures and rewards are starting to fix the
> problems...
> NOT by bullshit "carbon taxes" and other means of social engineering
> (force and duress), but simply allowing the natural economic motivators
> like the opportunity to profit by developing such systems be the driving
> force.

No; and take this from someone who also read the article kensi linked to. 
Specific public investments were used in the more successful countries to 
get green energy technologies to commercial viability, from basic research 
to subsidies in the green tech sector and other market interventions. 
Countries with a largely unfettered free market are behind the curve 
compared to ones whose governments had specific policies to promote and 
accelerate the green transition.

There is no way to spin that article as favoring a libertarian laissez-
faire conservative minimal-government approach. It just indicates that 
green public investment in research and development has proved superior to 
cap-and-trade in achieving emissions reductions.

-- 
FNVWe Nadegda

Fakey couldn't teach a monkey to eat a banana, much less answer a direct
question posed to him. -- Fakey's Dogwhistle Holder

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How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-18 09:31 -0400
  Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-18 11:14 -0400
    Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-18 11:39 -0400
      Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-18 12:22 -0400
        Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-06-18 18:28 +0000
          Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-18 19:09 -0400
            Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-06-18 23:31 +0000
              Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-18 19:59 -0400
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-06-19 02:33 +0000
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 23:49 -0700
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-06-20 19:42 +0100
              Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 19:08 -0700
          Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-18 19:51 -0400
      Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 11:41 -0700
        Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-18 15:27 -0400
          Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-18 13:37 -0600
            Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-18 15:56 -0400
              Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-18 14:01 -0600
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-18 17:21 -0400
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-18 15:27 -0600
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-18 17:42 -0400
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-18 16:05 -0600
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-06-18 23:13 +0000
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-18 17:44 -0600
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-06-19 02:34 +0000
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-18 21:34 -0600
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 23:50 -0700
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-18 21:12 -0400
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 18:16 -0700
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-18 19:23 -0600
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 19:04 -0700
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net> - 2018-06-18 18:50 -0700
          Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net> - 2018-06-18 15:56 -0700
            Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 17:01 -0700
        Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-06-18 20:05 +0000
          Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 19:01 -0700
            Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-06-19 02:35 +0000
              Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-18 21:32 -0600
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 23:44 -0700
            Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-19 03:43 +0000
        Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Corwin Esterness <woolcross@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 14:35 -0700
  Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-19 22:37 -0400
    Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-20 12:48 -0400
      Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-20 13:39 -0400
      Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-20 16:34 -0400
      Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-22 23:10 -0400
        Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-06-23 03:34 +0000
          Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-23 08:34 -0400

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