Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist

From	Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist
Date	2018-06-18 11:41 -0700
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Checkmate!  In article <pg8jmu$12k7$2@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...

> Subject: Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist
> From: kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid>
> Newsgroups: sci.physics, talk.politics.guns, alt.checkmate
> 
> On 6/18/2018 11:14 AM, benj wrote:
> > The following is also unquestionably true: Civilization runs today, 
> > post-industrial revolution, on energy. To attempt to cut off that energy 
> > supply for some pie in the sky reasons will destroy current civilization 
> > with the most dire of consequences for humanity.
> > 
> > The ONLY long-term solution is the invention of some new viable energy 
> > source.
> 
> If you'd bothered to actually *read* the article you are foaming about, 
> you'd know that it *has* been invented. It's called wind and solar power 
> with storage, ko0ky.

What the author appeared to be saying, although it was a little tedious 
wading through all the catch phrases and buzzwords that some people have 
gravitated towards using in place of simple English, is that simple 
economic market pressures and rewards are starting to fix the problems... 
NOT by bullshit "carbon taxes" and other means of social engineering 
(force and duress), but simply allowing the natural economic motivators 
like the opportunity to profit by developing such systems be the driving 
force.

I've been telling you all along that human nature is the fly in the 
ointment that ensures that you can't tax or legislate your way out of the 
byproduct of a mature, energy-based economy, because people are motivated 
by profit, and not nebulous promises that if they're only wiling to throw 
the economy into a tailspin, the problem will eventually go away.

If people have a financial incentive to profit by developing new and 
improved methods of producing energy and managing its consumption, THAT 
is the only motivating factor that will bring about the change you seek.  
Human nature and the fact that this over-populated world is locked into 
an energy based economy dictate that no other way has a chance of being 
successful. 

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How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-18 09:31 -0400
  Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-18 11:14 -0400
    Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-18 11:39 -0400
      Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-18 12:22 -0400
        Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-06-18 18:28 +0000
          Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-18 19:09 -0400
            Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-06-18 23:31 +0000
              Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-18 19:59 -0400
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-06-19 02:33 +0000
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 23:49 -0700
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-06-20 19:42 +0100
              Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 19:08 -0700
          Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-18 19:51 -0400
      Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 11:41 -0700
        Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-18 15:27 -0400
          Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-18 13:37 -0600
            Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-18 15:56 -0400
              Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-18 14:01 -0600
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-18 17:21 -0400
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-18 15:27 -0600
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-18 17:42 -0400
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-18 16:05 -0600
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-06-18 23:13 +0000
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-18 17:44 -0600
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-06-19 02:34 +0000
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-18 21:34 -0600
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 23:50 -0700
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-18 21:12 -0400
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 18:16 -0700
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-18 19:23 -0600
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 19:04 -0700
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net> - 2018-06-18 18:50 -0700
          Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net> - 2018-06-18 15:56 -0700
            Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 17:01 -0700
        Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-06-18 20:05 +0000
          Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 19:01 -0700
            Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-06-19 02:35 +0000
              Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-18 21:32 -0600
                Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 23:44 -0700
            Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-19 03:43 +0000
        Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Corwin Esterness <woolcross@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 14:35 -0700
  Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-19 22:37 -0400
    Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-20 12:48 -0400
      Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-20 13:39 -0400
      Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-20 16:34 -0400
      Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-22 23:10 -0400
        Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-06-23 03:34 +0000
          Re: How Changing My Economic Model Made Me a Climate Change Optimist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-23 08:34 -0400

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