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Re: Triangles and predicates

From "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups sci.math
Subject Re: Triangles and predicates
Date 2018-06-10 16:59 -0500
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On 6/8/2018 11:46 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> On Friday, 8 June 2018 23:33:28 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>> On 6/8/2018 7:50 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>> On Friday, 8 June 2018 14:38:12 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>> On 6/7/2018 11:30 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:29:04 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/7/2018 7:28 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 14:20:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2018 1:17 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 07:37:03 UTC+2, Zelos Malum  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Den torsdag 7 juni 2018 kl. 06:01:54 UTC+2 skrev mlwo...@wp.pl:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:53:35 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 3:31 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 8:44 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:31:53 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:16 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:20:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 8:09 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:44:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:47 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:35:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But note, by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today's definition of prime, there was never a point where 1 was a prime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by the old definition of prime, there will never be a point where 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't a prime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow it can be again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're equivocating. "Prime" meant one thing at one time and another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things change. A mathematician can be surprised. Not me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be surprised, one has to be aware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was never a time that 1 was a prime given the current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning prime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> *****
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course theyre was a time 1 was prime given the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current meaning prime.
>> *****
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No there was not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes there was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After yours?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence of what? That some considered 1 a prime?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This begins to change when Stevin showed how to calculate with decimal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real numbers in 1585, bringing on a confused period in which some held
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unity to be a prime and others did not."[1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
>>>>>>>>>>>>> given the current meaning prime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
>>>>>>>>>>>> definition then.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
>>>>>>>>>>> according to definition now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No there wasn't, because the current definition excludes units
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But there was a time when current definition didn't.
>>>>>>>>> And befere teaching others, learn the difference
>>>>>>>>> between a theorem and its thesis, poor hafbrain.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That definition is not current. Do you know what "current" means?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it was. Do you know what "was" mean?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did I say, "There was never a time that 1 was a prime given what was the
>>>>>> current meaning prime."?
>>>>>
>>>>> And did I say "There was never a time that 1 was a prime given
>>>>> what is current meaning prime."?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No. you said, "Of course theyre[sic] was a time 1 was prime given the
>>>> current meaning prime[sic]."
>>>>
>>>> In order for that to be true, there would have to have been a time when
>>>> 1 was greater than 1.
>>>
>>> No. You're imagining, as usual.
>>>
>>
>> Imagining what?
> 
> Imagining that in order for that to be true, there
> would have to have been a time when1 was greater
> than 1.

So it's the second one.

>> That the
>> current definition includes the requirement that a prime is greater than
>> 1?
> 
> But there was a time when it didn't.
> Current definitions change, you know.
> 

Those aren't the current definition, you know.

Martin Shobe

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Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-02 21:41 -0700
  Re: Triangles and predicates Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-03 06:36 -0400
    Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-03 03:48 -0700
      Re: Triangles and predicates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-04 14:00 +0000
        Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 09:20 -0700
    Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-03 05:03 -0700
      Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-04 08:35 -0500
        Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 06:47 -0700
          Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-05 07:44 -0500
            Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-05 06:09 -0700
              Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-05 16:20 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-05 21:16 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-06 07:31 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 06:44 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-06 14:40 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 13:31 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-06 15:53 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 21:01 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 22:36 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 23:17 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 23:56 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 00:12 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 04:46 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 07:20 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 05:28 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 10:10 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 16:28 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 21:30 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 07:38 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 05:50 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 16:33 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 21:46 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-10 16:59 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 21:35 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-11 05:49 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 03:58 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 04:15 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 04:26 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 23:14 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 23:57 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 00:24 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 03:02 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 03:13 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 03:25 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 03:44 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 04:09 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 04:37 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 04:43 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 05:48 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 05:51 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 23:56 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-18 00:23 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 04:00 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-18 09:29 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 23:26 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-20 00:55 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 23:31 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-20 23:49 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 23:57 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 00:08 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 01:34 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 02:14 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-24 22:51 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-25 01:05 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 23:09 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 00:59 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-26 23:08 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 23:32 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 23:49 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-27 01:37 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-27 03:29 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-11 20:30 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 21:20 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-12 18:32 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-12 21:35 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 07:12 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 09:10 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 16:55 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 21:27 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-15 19:01 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 20:57 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-17 14:52 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-17 21:29 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-18 19:11 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-18 21:28 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-19 18:57 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-19 22:14 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-20 18:31 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-20 21:29 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 23:32 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-20 23:50 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-21 07:15 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 05:38 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-21 16:15 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 21:22 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-22 18:57 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-22 21:49 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-23 07:41 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-23 07:59 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 09:44 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 10:02 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 07:19 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 05:28 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 16:30 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 21:36 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 22:49 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 23:20 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 00:05 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 00:35 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 21:39 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 07:39 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 05:54 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-08 13:33 +0000
                Re: Triangles and predicates Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-08 15:37 +0200
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 06:44 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 06:43 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 16:35 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 16:41 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 21:51 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 10:05 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 06:48 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-10 17:02 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 21:39 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 03:09 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 03:56 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 04:13 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-11 08:08 -0400
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 05:16 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Python <python@example.invalid> - 2018-06-06 23:05 +0200
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 21:03 -0700
          Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 22:36 -0700
    Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 13:31 -0700
  Re: Triangles and predicates "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-25 23:41 -0700
    Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 01:00 -0700

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