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Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?
Date	2018-06-06 12:45 +0000
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 7:10:01 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
>> On 6/5/2018 5:12 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 12:05:47 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:22 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 12:16:28 AM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 7:31 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 12:34:42 PM UTC-4, rotchm wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 10:24:34 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If there is only attractive force then the system is not stable.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Handwaving. Can you back that up with a proof?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Newton proved that with only an attractive force, there are stable
>>>>>>>> solutions. can you then show where he made an error in his proof?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A satellite must have Centripetal acceleration toward the center of the earth....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That's called "gravity".
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> in addition it must also have tangential acceleration away from the
>>>>>>> center of the earth.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How can it be tangential if it's away from the center of the earth?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Make up your mind. Is it tangential or is it away from the center of the
>>>>>> earth?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The combination of these accelerations will give stable orbit.
>>>>>>> Newton combined these two accelerations and call it gravity.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wrong. Newton only had gravity. Read his works if you don't believe me.
>>>>>> "Tangential acceleration away from the center of the earth" is babbling
>>>>>> nonsense, which Newton didn't use.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sigh Newton’s gravity is a composite force.
>>>> 
>>>> WRONG! Newton's gravity is F = GMm/r^2. Notice how there is a single
>>>> term on the right side? There is no "+" symbol to indicate where two
>>>> forces are added, nor a "-" symbol where two forces are subtracted. ONE
>>>> TERM, and definitely NOT a composite force.
>>> 
>>> Hey idiot....if Newton gravity is not a composite force the moon will
>>> not be maintain a table orbit. Gee you are stupid.
>> 
>> Ken, for the millionth time, Newton PROVED that only a single force 
>> (gravity) was needed for a stable orbit. You have not disproved his 
>> proof, all you can do is assert that there must be a composite force.
> 
> For the billions of time, Newton’s gravity force is not  single force. It
> is a composite force, that’s why the moon is able to maintain a stable orbit.
> 
>> 
>> Either PROVE Newton wrong (and get a ticket to Sweden!) or admit that 
>> you are wrong. Of course, you'll do neither, just falsely claim that 
>> there is a composite force causing the moon to orbit.
> 
> I didn’t say that Newton was wrong. I said that he didn’t know that his
> gravity force is composed of an attractive EM force and a repulsive
> effect between the earth and the moon.
>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> My theory provides a mechanical explanation of gravity.
>>>> 
>>>> Where do you show your theory as falsifiable? Where is your experimental
>>>> evidence?
>>> 
>>> My theory is falsifiable if the experiments I proposed failed to find absolute motion.
>> 
>> So no experiments have been done yet? So all you have is a hypothesis?
>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 1.The tangential acceleration is caused by the centrifugal force
>>>>> exerts on the orbiting object.
>>>> 
>>>> Oh good grief. You are getting wronger and wronger. The centrifugal
>>>> (pseudo)force is OUTWARD, AWAY from the center. You yourself commented
>>>> about being thrown off a merry-go-round by the centrifugal force.
>>> 
>>> Hey idiot, the centrifugal force is not (pseudo) in my theory.
>> 
>> Well, your theory is wrong, then!
> 
> Can you explain why centrifugal force is (pseudo)? Don't just make assertion.
>> 
>>> It causes tangential acceleration for a satellite and that’s why it is
>>> able to maintain a stable orbit around the earth.
>> 
>> What? Tangential acceleration? The moon is orbiting the earth faster and 
>> faster??? I thought it was a constant ~29.5 days!
> 
> No idiot...tangential acceleration is what causes the moon in a circular orbit.
>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Also if you use the centrifugal pseudoforce to explain how centrifuges
>>>> work, they work because the centrifugal force forces the dense/heavy
>>>> matter OUTWARD and the lighter/less dense matter gets displaced inward.
>>>> NOT TANGENTIALLY.
>>> 
>>> Hey moron....not just OUTWARD also a circular motion around the center of rotation.
>> 
>> Not outward. 
> 
> No not just outward, the moon must also experiencing a tangential
> acceleration to maintain a stable orbit.
>> 
>> There are a zillion Youtube videos of amusement park rides with names 
>> like the Gravitron or Roundup that are basically centrifuges with people 
>> forced against the wall. They are forced against the wall, they don't 
>> slide around the inside faster and faster!!!
>> Here is just one video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0H7TYzcMaY
>> 
>> Some of them tilt so that the riders are upside down for part of the 
>> ride (forced UPWARD).
> 
> So you agree that it is the centrifugal force that forces the person
> against the wall....right?
>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 2. The centripetal acceleration is caused by the attractive EM force
>>>>> derived from the earth and the moon are expanding in the same
>>>>> direction as the universe expands.
>>>> 
>>>> Gibberish nonsense. In the earth moon system the centripetal force and
>>>> gravity are one and the same.
>>> 
>>> What you said is gibberish nonsense. Centripetal force without the
>>> centrifugal force will not be able to maintain a stable orbit.
>> 
>> Wrong, Newton PROVED mathematically that only centripetal force 
>> (gravity) was necessary. What have you proved? Nothing?
> 
> For the zillions of time....Newton’s gravity is not a single force.
> 

Well then, you’re saying he’s wrong, because he said it was. 

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