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Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?
Date	2018-05-17 14:15 +0000
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 5:38:31 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 3:46:32 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 11:01:14 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 9:45:14 AM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:
>>>>> []
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You said "Newton didn’t provide any proof."
>>>>>>> The Principia includes proof that his equations produce the results
>>>>>>> that match the collected data of orbital motions at that time.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sigh....The results of Newton’s equation includes both the
>>>>>> attractive EM force and a high tangential motion of the moon.
>>>>>> This is what enable the moon to maintain a stable orbit.
>>>>> 
>>>>> HOWEVER, you said this previously:
>>>>> On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 10:24:34 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>> On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 11:52:06 PM UTC-4, Steve BH wrote:
>>>>> []
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A purely attractive force serves to explain all planetary
>>>>>>> motions, as Newton showed long ago. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If there is only attractive force then the system is not
>>>>>> stable.....the moon will crash into the sun eventually.
>>>>>> That’s why we need the repulsive force between the moon and
>>>>>> the earth to prevent the moon crashing into the earth. This
>>>>>> repulsive force is due to the earth and the moon are confined
>>>>>> to follow the divergent structure of the ether (the E-Matrix).
>>>>>> The unit vector of the attractive EM force is pointing to the
>>>>>> center of the earth. The unit vector of the repulsive effect
>>>>>> is point away from the earth at a right angle wrt the unit
>>>>>> vector of the attractive force. The resulting unit vector
>>>>>> is at a tangential direction and that’s why the moon is
>>>>>> orbiting the earth.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> So which is it tangential motion (velocity) vector
>>>>> or tangential Force vector?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Seems you want a tangential force. However, as Steve and I both
>>>>> pointed out to you, Newton's theory of gravity with only a
>>>>> radial force vector calculates the motions of the planets
>>>>> very precisely. It is your tangential force that will cause
>>>>> unstable orbits.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please, do the math. Your idea does not work.
>>>>> Ed
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ken can’t do math. 
>>>> 
>>>> What he is relying on is his intuition that if there is an acceleration
>>>> toward the center, this means the orbiting object will decrease its
>>>> distance to the center and eventually make contact with the center.
>>> 
>>> You area lying sack of shit. I said if there is only attractive force
>>> then there is no tangential orbiting motion and the two objects will
>>> simply move toward each other until contact.....like a magnet attracts a steel ball.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> If the
>>>> orbit is stable, this tells him there is no acceleration toward the
>>>> center. The idea that a stable orbit still involves an acceleration
>>>> toward the center makes no sense to him. 
>>> 
>>> This is an outright lie....I said no such thing. I said that a stable
>>> orbit requires a centripetal force pulling the object toward the center
>>> and a centrifugal force that causes the object to orbit around the center.
>> 
>> Centrifugal means “away from center”. Anything centrifugal has zero
>> tangential component and cannot cause “around” motion. Around is
>> tangential. I believe Ed P has been trying to make this basic point with
>> you as well. 
> 
> Sigh.....here are the facts:

Sorry but those are not facts. Those are your assertions. They fly counter
to all of physics, even high school physics. You somehow have come to the
conclusion that if your intuition tells you something then it is a fact. 

As I said, you would rather declare Newtonian physics wrong than learn
Newtonian physics. You just proved that by doing it. 

> 1. Centripetal force alone no orbiting motion.
> 2. Centripetal force in combination with centrifugal force one get
> orbiting motion. That means that centrifugal force contributes to
> orbiting motion. That means that centrifugal force is real not fictitious
> as physicists assert.
> 3. Too much centrifugal force will cancel out the centripetal force
> completely and cause the orbiting object to break free from orbit. In the
> case of a stone orbiting at the end of a string, too much centrifugal
> force will break the string and cause the stone to go off in a tangential direction.
> 
>  
> 
>> 
>> Furthermore, as has been mentioned to you by several people, “centrifugal
>> force” is a fiction. There is no such thing. Newtonian mechanics shows how
>> stable orbits happen without anything like a centrifugal force involved.
>> You never learned this. You never read your basic book on physics by
>> Halliday and Resnick. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> So rather than learn why a stable orbit still
>>>> involves an acceleration toward the center, he’d rather claim to reinvent a
>>>> whole new physics that does make sense to him and involves no confusing
>>>> notions like centripetal acceleration in stable orbits. 
>>>> 
>>>> Ken would rather say Newtonian physics is wrong rather than learn Newtonian
>>>> physics. 
>>> 
>>> Fucking liar.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 



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