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Re: Newton and Galilean relativity

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Newton and Galilean relativity
Date 2018-05-25 07:44 -0500
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On 5/25/18 1:27 AM, Robert Winn wrote:
> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 10:54:10 PM UTC-7, Libor Striz wrote:
>> Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 10:04:51 PM UTC-7, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>> Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>
>>>> Guys, use proper quoting, please.
>>>>
>>>> Editing and orientation in long multi quote posts  in an Android
>>>>   Usenet client is not fun.
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think it is sloppy language at all to say that two clocks that show different times were running at different rates.
>>>>
>>>> I do think it is sloppy language to say
>>>> moving cars have different engine revolution rates, if the real
>>>>   meaning their observed rate is different.
>>>> -------
>>>>    I know your different way, and I do not believe in it.  Two sets
>>>>   of Galilean transformation equations show that lengths are not
>>>>   contracted, but clocks can run at different rates of time.
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>> And they fails in that.
>>>> Observed(not real) length contraction,
>>>> Observed(not real) time dilation
>>>> and relativity if simultaneity
>>>> are INEVITABLE and MATHEMATICAL consequences
>>>> of invariant vacuum light speed.
>>>>
>>>> You have to accept all the package.
>>>> There can be all 4 of them, or none of them.
>>>> -----
>>>> So, if clocks show different elapsed times, I say they have
>>>>   different rates.
>>>>
>>>> That is false even without theory of relativity, by classical
>>>>   Doppler effect.
>>>> ( As there is also relativistic Doppler effect, combining the
>>>>   classical one and time dilation )
>>>>
>>>>   
>>> No, Lorentz and Einstein were not talking about an observed length contraction that did not really exist.  They both said it was a physical length contraction in the moving frame of reference.
>>
>> You must choose between ignorance or lying. I would in your shoes
>>   prefer ignorance due misinterpretation.
>> -----------
>>> So if you have a different interpretation, that is fine.
>>
>> This interpretation is not mine but is at least 113 years old.
>>
>> Lorentz did first thought about physical contraction during
>>   development if his theory, but revoked this idea soon under press
>>   of serious peer objections.
>>
>>
>>   > There is still no length contraction.
>>
>> And how do you  know ?
>>
>>> There is no need for a length contraction.
>>
>> Without length contraction, Maxwell theory fails to be valid for
>>   all reference frames.
> Maxwell died in 1878.  The Michelson-Morley experiment did not take place until 1887.  Lorentz and Fitzgerald did not think of length contraction until after the Michelson-Morley experiment.
> There has never been another physicist to compare with Maxwell in the field of electricity. Since he never used anything but the Galilean transformation equations, you are saying he was too stupid to tell that there needed to be a length contraction.

Not too stupid. He didn't have enough time for it to occur to him.
I think it's a bit much to say that if he did not sort out all of the 
implications of what his theory said, then he was being stupid. No, his 
result was very impressive. But he did not do all the work for laws of 
electrodynamics. A lot of people came after him and figured out stuff 
that he did not. Not because he was stupid, but because the subject is 
too large for one person to figure it all out.

Nevertheless, lots of people did come after him and figured out things 
about his electrodynamics that he never touched.

>  The Galilean transformation equations do not have a length contraction.  Maxwell made all of his calculations without even thinking of a length contraction.  More than any other thing, that convinces me that there is no length contraction.
>>
>>> There are different rates of time, which can be represented by different sets of Galilean transformation equations.
>>
>> I bring back N mutually moving clocks. This idea fails miserable here.
>>
> Go ahead and show the math.
> I showed two sets of Galilean transformation equations.  Show how they fail miserably.
> 


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 19:50 -0700
  Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-05-24 05:18 +0200
    Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-23 20:40 -0700
      Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 23:00 -0700
        Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-24 03:54 -0700
          Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Oslovné Ritmickeho <uiq@oichewo.th> - 2018-05-24 11:52 +0000
            Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-24 14:58 +0200
              Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Oslovné Ritmickeho <uiq@oichewo.th> - 2018-05-24 13:41 +0000
              Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 08:35 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-24 19:17 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Oslovné Ritmickeho <uiq@oichewo.th> - 2018-05-24 18:33 +0000
          Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 08:17 -0700
            Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-24 19:22 +0200
              Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 11:38 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-24 21:20 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 12:56 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:55 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 14:19 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:25 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 17:58 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-25 07:04 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:30 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-25 07:54 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 23:27 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-25 08:40 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 23:56 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 07:44 -0500
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 08:56 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 18:17 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 07:40 -0500
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 08:31 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 08:45 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 17:15 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 08:52 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 18:17 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 11:38 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 18:59 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 15:02 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-25 06:07 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:02 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-25 11:51 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 08:30 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 08:41 -0700
              Re: Newton and Galilean relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-24 21:19 -0700
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              Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 04:24 -0700
    Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 22:58 -0700
      Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-24 08:48 +0200
        Re: Newton and Galilean relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-24 00:02 -0700
        Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 08:10 -0700
  Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 13:58 +0100
    Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 08:31 -0700
      Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 17:44 +0100
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          Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:23 +0100
      Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-24 19:56 +0200
        Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 12:05 -0700
          Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-24 21:29 +0200
            Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 13:15 -0700
            Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 11:07 +0100
              Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-26 04:47 -0700
          Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 20:04 +0000
            Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 13:51 -0700
              Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-24 23:03 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 14:21 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-25 06:17 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-24 21:27 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:12 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-05-25 01:38 -0400
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 23:14 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-25 08:27 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 23:47 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:49 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 01:10 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:19 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-25 08:07 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-25 08:16 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 23:36 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:38 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 01:05 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:30 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 01:42 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 07:42 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-25 18:50 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:10 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-05-26 02:46 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 19:47 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-25 21:04 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 22:47 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-05-26 11:20 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-26 04:42 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 12:38 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-26 14:39 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Oslovné Ritmickeho <uiq@oichewo.th> - 2018-05-26 21:43 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 06:21 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-27 11:50 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:26 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-05-27 22:47 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 18:51 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 20:46 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 18:53 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 16:48 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 12:47 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-28 13:49 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 14:52 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-28 15:24 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 17:54 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-28 18:07 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 19:50 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 21:42 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 23:51 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 19:53 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 16:01 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-05-31 05:31 +0200
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                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 18:52 +0000
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