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Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?
Date	2018-05-24 17:23 +0000
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 9:22:05 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 5:30:10 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 9:35:45 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 22, 2018 at 9:48:05 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 6:28:15 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 1:40:02 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/21/18 9:09 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 9:33:27 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 9:01:54 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moron, in a gravitational field a force is needed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintain orbiting motion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, just a radial force suffices and the proof is simple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No just a radial force will not be able to maintain a stable orbit. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>> need a tangential effect to counteract the radial CP force to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintain a stable orbit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> You're groping around for words that won't get shot down.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> You do need tangential motion.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tangential motion requires no force  .
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is therefore no tangential force.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey moron,curved tangential motion requires a force to maintain. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> No it doesn’t. Angular momentum is conserved without the application of a
>>>>>>>>>> tangential force. Stop dancing. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Gee you are so fucking stupid even for a woodworker. 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such thing as centrifugal force. Every reference on the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> planet makes it clear that this is a fictitious force. And it doesn't 
>>>>>>>>>>>> matter what your intuition says.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Moron, the CF force has effect on physical processes so it is not
>>>>>>>>>>> fictitious. For example: the centrifuge use the CF forestial motion e to
>>>>>>>>>>> separate liquids of different densities or separate solid from liquid. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> That’s the centripetal force that does that separation. There is no
>>>>>>>>>> centrifugal force. You’ve never learned how a centrifuge really works. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So the heavier solid knows to move away from the center of the spin
>>>>>>>>> because of the centripetal force? 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yes! If you had studied physics, for example, you would know what makes
>>>>>>>> things float in a fluid: buoyancy force, caused by differential in fluid
>>>>>>>> pressure. In a centrifuge, this buoyancy force is centripetal and the
>>>>>>>> differentiation is magnified. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So you don’t know the meaning of the centripetal force.....right? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ken, stop it. This is your childish tactic to get someone to tell you an
>>>>>> answer when you don’t want to look it up in your physics book. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am serious. You don’t know the meaning of the CP force....
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve already told you twice in this thread. 
>>> 
>>> You told me that the centrifuge is based on the CP force and that’s absolutely wrong.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> the centrifuge does not based of the centripetal force.
>>>> 
>>>> And that’s wrong. 
>>> 
>>> Moron, the centrifuge based on a force that throws material away from the
>>> center of rotation. 
>> 
>> No it is not. That is how you THINK it works, but it is not how it really
>> works. Your imagination is not reality. If you want to find out how
>> something works, get out of your own head. Your imagination does not
>> produce correct answers. 
> 
> Moron, here’s the definition for a centrifuge:
> A machine with a rapidly rotating container that applies centrifugal
> force to its contents, typically to separate fluids of different
> densities (e.g., cream from milk) or liquids from solids.

Never use a conventional language dictionary for physics explanations.
Conventional language dictionaries get things like weightlessness wrong
too. Conventional language is sloppy. 

> 
> Gee you are so fucking stupid.
> 
>> 
>>> The CP force causes materiall to move toward the center of rotation. 
>>> 
>>>> Your introductory textbook explains it. 
>>> 
>>> If the text book explains that the centrifuge is based on the CP force
>>> then it is wrong. I suspect that you don’t unstained what you read.
>> 
>> Hard to misunderstand it when it is so plainly written. You’ve never read
>> how it works. 
>> 
>>> 
>>>> It does
>>>> absolutely no good to ask why it’s called a centrifuge, then be told where
>>>> to find out how a centrifuge works, and then just claim that that’s wrong. 
>>> 
>>> I said that you are wrong. You are a woodworker you don’t understand what you read.
>>> 
>>>> If you’re not going to believe anything explained in introductory physics,
>>>> then 1) don’t bother asking, 2) give up on doing physics. 
>>> 
>>> I didn’t ask. I merely pointed out that you made wrong assertions that is
>>> completely wrong on the operation of the centrifuge.
>> 
>> Sorry Ken, but the designers of centrifuges are the experts on how they
>> work.  NOT YOU. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 



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