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Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?
Date	2018-05-16 19:46 +0000
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Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 11:01:14 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
>> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 9:45:14 AM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:
> []
>>> 
>>> You said "Newton didn’t provide any proof."
>>> The Principia includes proof that his equations produce the results
>>> that match the collected data of orbital motions at that time.
>> 
>> Sigh....The results of Newton’s equation includes both the
>> attractive EM force and a high tangential motion of the moon.
>> This is what enable the moon to maintain a stable orbit.
> 
> HOWEVER, you said this previously:
> On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 10:24:34 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
>> On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 11:52:06 PM UTC-4, Steve BH wrote:
> []
>>> 
>>> A purely attractive force serves to explain all planetary
>>> motions, as Newton showed long ago. 
>> 
>> If there is only attractive force then the system is not
>> stable.....the moon will crash into the sun eventually.
>> That’s why we need the repulsive force between the moon and
>> the earth to prevent the moon crashing into the earth. This
>> repulsive force is due to the earth and the moon are confined
>> to follow the divergent structure of the ether (the E-Matrix).
>> The unit vector of the attractive EM force is pointing to the
>> center of the earth. The unit vector of the repulsive effect
>> is point away from the earth at a right angle wrt the unit
>> vector of the attractive force. The resulting unit vector
>> is at a tangential direction and that’s why the moon is
>> orbiting the earth.
>> 
> So which is it tangential motion (velocity) vector
> or tangential Force vector?
> 
> Seems you want a tangential force. However, as Steve and I both
> pointed out to you, Newton's theory of gravity with only a
> radial force vector calculates the motions of the planets
> very precisely. It is your tangential force that will cause
> unstable orbits.
> 
> Please, do the math. Your idea does not work.
> Ed
> 

Ken can’t do math. 

What he is relying on is his intuition that if there is an acceleration
toward the center, this means the orbiting object will decrease its
distance to the center and eventually make contact with the center. If the
orbit is stable, this tells him there is no acceleration toward the center.
The idea that a stable orbit still involves an acceleration toward the
center makes no sense to him. So rather than learn why a stable orbit still
involves an acceleration toward the center, he’d rather claim to reinvent a
whole new physics that does make sense to him and involves no confusing
notions like centripetal acceleration in stable orbits. 

Ken would rather say Newtonian physics is wrong rather than learn Newtonian
physics. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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