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Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?

From	moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?
Date	2018-05-15 21:15 +0000
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 6:04:58 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>> > On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 10:12:58 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:

>> >>>>> Moron, with only attractive force and without proper high enough orbital
>> >>>>> velocity will cause the moon crash into the earth.

>> >>>> There is only one force and it is attractive. Tangential motion is not a
>> >>>> force. You stated earlier that a repulsive force is required for stability.
>> >>>> This is not true, and Newton proved that a stable orbit is possible with
>> >>>> the only force being attractive.

>> >>> We are  talking about my concept of gravity:

>> >> No we are not. We are talking about Newtonian mechanics and what Newton
>> >> proved in Principia. You made claims about Newtonian mechanics that are
>> >> incorrect and THAT is what we are talking about.

>> > What I claimed:
>> > If there is only attractive force between two objects the system is not stable.

>> You claimed more than this. You claimed that a repulsive force is also
>> needed to account for why the orbit is stable. That is an incorrect
>> statement.

>I said that in addition to the attractive force, a repulsive effect

Repulsive "effect"? You said repulsive force. You are trying to weasel out
of your earlier claim.
 is also needed to maintain a stable orbit. That is a correct statement.

No, it is not. Newton proved orbits were stable with only a repulsive force.

> Without the repulsive effect derived from that the earth and the moon are 
>confined to follow the divergent structure of the E-Matrix the moon will 
>not be able to keep a stable orbit.

Babbling nonsense which is not part of Newton's gravity.

>>You later stopped mentioning the repulsive force (without
>> retracting the claim) and started talking about tangential motion being
>> required. But tangential motion is not a force, nor is it repulsive. 

>Why should I retract what is correct? I mentioned the tangential motion 
>because that's why you understand. The repulsive effect in 
>combination with the attractive EM force give you the tangential motion.

It is not correct.

"Repulsive effect" is just nonsense words you invented because you were 
caught being wrong.
 
>> > I stand by this statement. Two balls with opposite charge will attract
>> > each other and continue to do so until they are contact with each other.
>> > No orbiting motion between them is observed.

>> That is incorrect. Hydrogen is an example of two oppositely charged objects
>> attracting each other and yet not coming into contact. The two objects are
>> called proton and electron. I=E2=80=99m sure you=E2=80=99ve heard of them.

>I my theory the charge of a particle changes every 90 degree. I am not going 
>to explain it here....read Chapter 3 of my book.

>> > So your argument that tangential motion is not a force is an empty argument.

>> It is still not a force.

>Tangential motion requires an applied force and that applied force must be
>continuous to maintain a stable orbit.....

No, it doesn't.  A situation where two masses are heading in straight lines
toward each other, but offset slightly, does not involve any forces other than
the attractive force of gravity. The objects may form a stable orbit since they
"miss" each other.  Once an orbit is formed, there are NO forces involved other
than the attractive force of gravity. Newton proved that.

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