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Re: Carbon Dioxide Is Not Our Enemy -- the Greening of Earth

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Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> Wrote in message:
> On Tue, 8 May 2018 08:04:31 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote:
> 
>>The biggest enemies are usually our former friends who have turned
>> wild.
>>
>>It is valid from  society through  physiology till environment.
>>
>>It occurs in many scenarios, that factors, otherwise beneficial or
>> even essential, become harmful or even fatal at different
>> conditions.
>>
>>Increasing CO2 content makes climate change worse, 
> 
> Your statement implicitly assumes that climate change is bad.

My statement implicitly assumes that A change is bad, if you do
 not know  it's consequences.

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> Is **all** climate change bad?

Yes, every climate change is bad, but no climate change is  bad in
 all its aspects.
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> 
> Has a climate never changed for the *better* ... anywhere in the
> world?

Would killing one person ever change for better life anywhere in
 the world ? Sometimes it would. But it does not make killing a
 person a good thing.
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> Who says the climate changes that caused glaciers to retreat from
> lower latitudes in the northern hemisphere were bad?

All the species that disappeared, totally or locally.

It is said Homo neanderthalensis extincted because he lost his
 evolutionary advantage against Homo sapiens, as he was better
 adapted to ice age.
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> If some climates change for the better and some change for the worse,
> is it a zero-sum game? 

In era of human society, the rich ones abuse the change to get
 more rich and poor will get more poor.
Would you call zero sum game ?
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That is: is the net effect on the planet a
> "wash" ... and healthy for the planet (comparable to crop rotation)?

It is a Russian roulette.
If the chamber is empty , it is fun and exciting. If not, it is
 just killing.

Such change has many consequences and we are aware just about some
 and only some we can predict.

If the "wash" would affect majority of population, would you
 consider it good and healthy ?

And if it would affect only your and neighbour countries, but
 other would benefit from it to sell you supplies,
would you still consider it good and healthy ?
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> 
> Is climate change "bad" only if it inconveniences humans?

It is bad for its destroying  potential.
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> 
> Some PETA members will stress that humans are only a small fraction of
> the creatures living on Earth.

Sure, but we have responsibility for all of them, especially if 
 our own acting affects the environment.

And it does. CO2 raising, killing worming abd acidification of
 ocean s,, deforestation and asphaltification are just few
 examples.
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> 
> Would Gaia want greenies to be **so** concerned about their own
> personal, short-term convenience?
> 
Rather, rich west people bother ONLY if their personal, short-term
 convenience is affected.

What is just annoyance for some, is question of life and death for
 others.
Starving to death as raining  looks accross the ocean as personal,
 short-term convenience.


-- 
Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)

"Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
Miloš Forman


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Carbon Dioxide Is Not Our Enemy -- the Greening of Earth Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-07 19:33 -0500
  Re:Carbon Dioxide Is Not Our Enemy -- the Greening of Earth Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-08 08:04 +0200
    Re: Carbon Dioxide Is Not Our Enemy -- the Greening of Earth Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-08 08:06 -0400
      Re: Carbon Dioxide Is Not Our Enemy -- the Greening of Earth Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-08 15:42 +0200
        Re: Carbon Dioxide Is Not Our Enemy -- the Greening of Earth Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-09 01:00 -0400
          Re: Carbon Dioxide Is Not Our Enemy -- the Greening of Earth Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-09 07:53 +0200
            Re: Carbon Dioxide Is Not Our Enemy -- the Greening of Earth Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-09 07:55 -0400
              Re: Carbon Dioxide Is Not Our Enemy -- the Greening of Earth benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-09 10:46 -0400
  Re: Carbon Dioxide Is Not Our Enemy -- the Greening of Earth Boris Mohar <borism_void_@sympatico.ca> - 2018-05-09 05:26 -0400

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